Really? 3 times before invis is broken? That's plenty time to steal something and be gone way before I understand who did it.
Invis shouldn't benefit stealing. Every failed attempt should end up with me catching the bastard and having him for 10-15 seconds just for myself.

nils wrote:hell even a chance of a “hold hand”-roll, so that the little shit can get his head smashed in.

I like this thought! It's only logical. If I feel someone trying to steal something from me I won't stand still looking around, I'll grab the asshole's hand and beat him senseless.

As for harassment, stealing is not, and PvP is not. Repeated stealing and repeated PvP is.
Hence spamming stealing must be stopped. Also I would add additional checks to stealing itself.
You know the usual ones all stealth game have. Boots, light, DEX, etc.

Mersereau wrote: There are areas where pvp is not allowed.

The are now. I'm not sure if it's only Sparkle church and or any safe room.

Ethuscuel wrote:Is it invisibility or just high sneak/hide?

I see hidden thieves of much bigger size, so I doubt it's high sneak/hide.

Ethuscuel wrote: Alas, the thief didn't manage to leave the Tower alive.

Was it disfigured childish male human, known as Westor?

Ok think about this for a moment. You can avoid being hunted, sure. And be completely unable to do anything but stand there. Because as soon as you do anything but walk around and talk to people(like combat) you pop out of invis. So you can choose to do nothing at all, or you can choose to walk vis...

Amberlee wrote: Invis in itself isn't bad.

No it's actually ridiculous. It means you can avoid being hunted for as long as you like.

Agreed. Invis has nearly zero counters, this crap has to be fixed. Right now SoHM with their idiotic invis spell are invincible. The spell itself isn't idiotic. How many invis counters do you know? Can you compare invis to sneak? the spell itself might not be idiotic, but we need more way to detect...

Agreed. Invis has nearly zero counters, this crap has to be fixed. Right now SoHM with their idiotic invis spell are invincible.

Back in playing on Unix terminals days I had automap as well. On a piece of paper hand-drawn maps :D Later on in ZMuD days it became clicky clicky times, as it is now. Yeah had a notebook too, when that actually meant a notebook lol Yeah haha, good days :) Would go around the univercity with notebo...