Irk botting and KS'ing

[Laurel]

Calian arrives from the southwest.
Calian-Monk arrives from the southwest.
Ogre pounds the hairy cruel ogre's right arm with his heavy dragonbone.
You feel like you could slam someone again!
The hairy cruel ogre stabs at Ogre with his long iron gisarme and gently
pokes into his chest.
Calian attacks the hairy cruel ogre.
The hairy cruel ogre shouts: Help! Help!
Calian-Monk assists Calian and attacks the hairy cruel ogre.
The hairy cruel ogre shouts: Help! Help!
Monk assists Ogre and attacks the hairy cruel ogre.
The hairy cruel ogre shouts: Help! Help!
As Calian hits the legs of the hairy cruel ogre with his carved quickwood
hoopak, a pair of claws appear from it, grazing him lightly.
Calian-Monk looks into his money-sack and quickly picks up its contents.
Calian-Monk drops a heap of copper coins.
Calian-Monk drops many silver coins.
Calian-Monk looks in his money-sack to make sure there is room left.
Calian-Monk beats the hairy cruel ogre's left arm with his left foot.
Monk charges past the hairy cruel ogre as he tries to gore him with his
regal horns.
You are physically feeling very well and mentally in a vegetable state.
Calian-Monk is feeling very well.
Calian is feeling very well.
The hairy cruel ogre is aching.
Laurel is feeling very well.
Glad is feeling very well.
Monk is feeling very well.
Ogre is feeling very well.
As Calian hits the right arm of the hairy cruel ogre with his carved
quickwood hoopak, a pair of claws appear from it, grazing him lightly.
Monk strikes at the hairy cruel ogre's body with his left fist, but his
wide-ringed shirt of iron chainmail protects him.
Ogre pounds the hairy cruel ogre's body with his heavy dragonbone.
Ogre beats the hairy cruel ogre's head with his heavy dragonbone.
Calian-Monk charges past the hairy cruel ogre as he tries to gore him with his regal
horns.
BLAM!! BLAM!! Ogre brings his heavy dragonbone and heavy dragonbone hurtling
down on the hairy cruel ogre!
The hairy cruel ogre seems completely devastated.
Calian-Monk smashes the hairy cruel ogre's stomach with his left foot.
The hairy cruel ogre swings his long iron gisarme at Ogre with tremendous
strength and nicks his left arm.
Calian hits the hairy cruel ogre with a thunderous blow of his carved
quickwood hoopak!
The hairy cruel ogre died.
Calian killed him.

Irk ought to be killed and finally deleted for botting and KSing, because his mere presence is harming the game!

[OgreToyBoy]

Dunno why names are hidden, just post complete log.

[Mersereau]

That's not what Cherek is saying at all.

[Greneth]

That's not what Cherek is saying at all.

And yet the people botting while not even at the computer still continue to do so. Its been going on long before Cherek came into his position but I know it is very easy to investigate and come to a conclusion.

If he has and determined nothing they are doing is wrong then I'll gladly apologize and admit I was wrong. But after seeing in game and reading several logs I find that very hard to believe.

[Chanele]

Is the penalty for botting (caught several times) death without recovery?

If not, you can change the rules and allow it.

[Greneth]

Dont see why it needs to even be several times. Warned once, do it again and punish the whole team.

[Dread]

They all have been warned, and if I catch them again I will have to do something more than just warn. But since I am new as AoP I felt it perhaps would be more productive to talk to the botting players first, hear them out, etc, instead of immediately hitting the death and destruction button. I gave everyone a chance to express their feelings on the matter, some were angry and upset of course, but still I learned some things about how the people who do bot feel about the whole thing.

Seems like a mature, well-reasoned, and rational response.

I disagree with it wholeheartedly. Kill em. Kill em all, and keep killin em until they learn or leave. They aren't adding anything but numbers to the game.

[Draugor]

Is the penalty for botting (caught several times) death without recovery?

If not, you can change the rules and allow it.

First its a scolding, then a death (not sure about recovery) and third strike is deletion if I am not mistaking, I hope its deletion tho, and that there are no limits on the time between, I know Irk has been busted atleast once, years ago, after that he learned how to make sound triggers

[Cherek]

Is the penalty for botting (caught several times) death without recovery?

If not, you can change the rules and allow it.

Current penalties can be found in "help botting" they vary a bit depending on type of botting. But we're looking into changing them a bit. I feel some of the penalties are a bit too nice and some maybe a bit too harsh. It's death with recovery currently.

[Cherek]

They aren't adding anything but numbers to the game.

Thats not entirely true, many people who bot are also very active players when they DON'T bot. It's pretty common to bot from work for example, and not add much more than numbers to the game, as you say, but the same player can be very active, social and a good RP'er when at the computer on nights and weekends. Very few players, if any, are 100% bots. So just wiping them from the game does not only remove a number.

I'd much more prefer they DONT play at all though if all they can do is bot, and keep playing actively when they can. Unfortunately the rewards for botting are so good, people do it anyway. We basically offer a bank vault full of gold, without any security, and then hoping to catch and punish the people who can't help but rob it all the time... It's not a perfect setup, but it's what we got to work with currently.