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Re: Where to grind on which level?

Posted: 22 Oct 2015 15:37
by Cherek
Laurel wrote:
Cherek wrote:Myth
Trolls, Mithas (evil)
need over 100 to get from neutral to agreeable ... those damned suckers!
Really?I kinda assumed they are evil, they're trolls after all. Guess not all trolls are evil then.

Re: Where to grind on which level?

Posted: 22 Oct 2015 18:30
by cotillion
Cherek wrote:
Laurel wrote:
Cherek wrote:Myth
Trolls, Mithas (evil)
need over 100 to get from neutral to agreeable ... those damned suckers!
Really?I kinda assumed they are evil, they're trolls after all. Guess not all trolls are evil then.
They're too stupid to be evil.
Chaotic neutral most likely.

Re: Where to grind on which level?

Posted: 22 Oct 2015 23:37
by Arman
Cherek wrote:Arman: Yeah I too think the dracs should be more rewarding considering all their little tricks. I am not expert on that though, so when it comes XP balance you really should talk to Petros. But he is active so I am sure he'll listen! I am all for it if you wanna have a look at tweaking some Krynn/Ansalon mobs. You're the closest thing to an active Krynn liege we have anyway.:)

When it comes to Flotsam the level of BDA protection has always varied. Not sure what their current policy is. Sometimes Kernan is okay, sometimes Balifor is okay but not Flotsam, and there's been times neither has been protected. Besides, people dare grind Haradrims, I am sure they would dare grind in Flotsam/Balifor too it was rewarding. And if BDA decides to protect we'll have players interacting, which usually is a good thing anyway.

Are the undeads in the Chemosh temple a good grinding area? I considered including them, but I've never heard about or seen anyone actually go there to grind. I know I did back in -97 or something, but back then a splendid sword was pretty neat and Dragonarmy guards really good XP so... not sure how they hold up today?

Right the minotaurs. Good idea. That area could really use some love. The code is a real mess though. Wonder what silly wizard coded those!
Probably talking a bit out of school, but I wouldn't mind other (mortal) thoughts on this.

Had a look through the draconians and did some comparisons with other hunting areas with a handy gnomish tool of Cotillion's. From an xp point of view -and taking into account their abilities- they are actually pretty reasonable. I think that the issue is more that the areas have a dispersement of draconians that range in mortal level from apprentice levels to legend level. There isn't a concentration of a particular size range to make it worth hunting by looks?

Thoughts? Does that sound about right?

Also, their monetary rewards are pretty average at the lower levels compared to other hunting areas in Genesis... so not attractive to smaller players where $$s are probably as important as the xp.

Cherek - your minotaur code was fine by my looks :). It could certainly be converted quite easily to fill a hunting ground gap... what mortal range were you thinking?

Re: Where to grind on which level?

Posted: 23 Oct 2015 10:39
by Laurel
Arman wrote:Had a look through the draconians and did some comparisons with other hunting areas with a handy gnomish tool of Cotillion's. From an xp point of view -and taking into account their abilities- they are actually pretty reasonable. I think that the issue is more that the areas have a dispersement of draconians that range in mortal level from apprentice levels to legend level. There isn't a concentration of a particular size range to make it worth hunting by looks?

Thoughts? Does that sound about right?

Also, their monetary rewards are pretty average at the lower levels compared to other hunting areas in Genesis... so not attractive to smaller players where $$s are probably as important as the xp.
Quite accurate from the player's perspective of mine. The viable hunting grounds for draconians are Kurinost and Pax. Kurinost has only 6 rooms full with 4 similar level dracs each - that's hardly worth the travel time for most people looking for exp (ship to Flots/Balifor + another to Kurinost). Pax is bigger, but easily accessible only to DA officers (or was there a necro portal there too?). There were times when the "key" to Pax has been stashed by some people away from others, so they couldn't enter it ...

If you were (for example) to increase the size of Kurinost or open the gates to Pax more freely (and possibly place more dracs there too, as it's easy to swipe the place clean) - maybe that'd be a good idea for expert-champion levels.

Re: Where to grind on which level?

Posted: 23 Oct 2015 12:13
by Avatar
Laurel wrote:
Arman wrote:Had a look through the draconians and did some comparisons with other hunting areas with a handy gnomish tool of Cotillion's. From an xp point of view -and taking into account their abilities- they are actually pretty reasonable. I think that the issue is more that the areas have a dispersement of draconians that range in mortal level from apprentice levels to legend level. There isn't a concentration of a particular size range to make it worth hunting by looks?

Thoughts? Does that sound about right?

Also, their monetary rewards are pretty average at the lower levels compared to other hunting areas in Genesis... so not attractive to smaller players where $$s are probably as important as the xp.
Quite accurate from the player's perspective of mine. The viable hunting grounds for draconians are Kurinost and Pax. Kurinost has only 6 rooms full with 4 similar level dracs each - that's hardly worth the travel time for most people looking for exp (ship to Flots/Balifor + another to Kurinost). Pax is bigger, but easily accessible only to DA officers (or was there a necro portal there too?). There were times when the "key" to Pax has been stashed by some people away from others, so they couldn't enter it ...

If you were (for example) to increase the size of Kurinost or open the gates to Pax more freely (and possibly place more dracs there too, as it's easy to swipe the place clean) - maybe that'd be a good idea for expert-champion levels.
Aye, I agree. Make Pax more accessible and add more, and bigger draconians.

Maybe add a Draconian camp inside, or outside Pax as well.

Re: Where to grind on which level?

Posted: 23 Oct 2015 15:06
by Zestana
Pax is fairly accessible? It is very very rare that after the first few hours of Arma it isn't open. I don't think anyones killing the undead and locking the gate back up.

Re: Where to grind on which level?

Posted: 23 Oct 2015 17:02
by Avatar
Zestana wrote:Pax is fairly accessible? It is very very rare that after the first few hours of Arma it isn't open. I don't think anyones killing the undead and locking the gate back up.
You don't think?

Ok.

Re: Where to grind on which level?

Posted: 23 Oct 2015 17:31
by Syrk
Yes. Pax is accessible. It is similar to the rebels base under Sybarus Bazaar.
But Pax can be opened only once and stay that way but to enter rebels you have to open it every time.
I think it is just people are too lazy to get access to such places.

Re: Where to grind on which level?

Posted: 23 Oct 2015 18:22
by Zestana
Avatar wrote:
Zestana wrote:Pax is fairly accessible? It is very very rare that after the first few hours of Arma it isn't open. I don't think anyones killing the undead and locking the gate back up.
You don't think?

Ok.
Fine... I Know smartass. Seeing as how I visit Pax at least 5x or more daily and I've never once had to actually open the back door myself in the last two months but rather have been able to run straight through to Verminaard. As Syrk said, quit being lazy.

Re: Where to grind on which level?

Posted: 23 Oct 2015 19:07
by Avatar
Zestana wrote:
Avatar wrote:
Zestana wrote:Pax is fairly accessible? It is very very rare that after the first few hours of Arma it isn't open. I don't think anyones killing the undead and locking the gate back up.
You don't think?

Ok.
As Syrk said, quit being lazy.
Oh, watch the aggressiveness there. I have to use the long route everytime I enter Pax. The gate has never been opened for me, and everytime I open it, the wandering patrol closes it when they pass by.

So, no. I am not lazy. But thanks for making the assumption.