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Myth

Joined: 06 Mar 2012 00:14
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Icarus wrote:
Kenders can use hoopaks. If you don't like that kenders can be members of Calia, it's your perogative to dislike it. Personally, I don't like that BDA can use swords, they should be forced to use knives only. But that's my perogative to dislike. Do I expect a change in the code to alter this? No. Yes, the quickwood hoopak is very good. Yes, a myth kender calian will do a LOT of damage with it. If you want something equal, go RDA, use serrated obsidian halberd, and for Lars' sake, get your agility up to the same level as the kenders, and you'll do equally high damage. If you choose to be a goblin, you only get avarage dexterity, you get much higher constitution and much higher strength... However, you also get to be the race with the lowest intelligence and can't attack much of the big things around it seems.

Yes, SSoUT kenders get _more_ out of a hoopak than a calian, but then again, a Calian get more out of a GSB than a BDA doe as well, thanks to swarm. So with your annoyance of calian kenders using hoopaks, well, lets rectify this, and at the same time give them exclusive right to the best two handed swords. Crystal axe? Sure, now useable by gladiators only (sorry Neidars), silvanesti shield, turtle shells, kite-shield... Shieldbearers only. Runed basket-hilt falchions goes to SU only. Daggers w/o poison goes to SU as well. And the list goes on.

Stop whining about who can use what equipment, you should instead go growel to Cotillion for making the changes he have made, allowing us to be able to, on stroke of luck, to obtain more of the various items we crave, although, never expect to always have them.

FYI - The serrated obsidian halberd and the carved quickwood hoopak are (as I've understood) balanced. Go tell RDA that you want the serrated obsidian halberd removed, because you don't like the calian kenders :D



Uhm... RDA are not even close to Calians in damage :P No matter the dex... just saying, so thats just wrong :P


18 Mar 2015 22:12
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Myth

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Drip wrote:
Why not just make the hard-to-get things sell for more money, so storing them is less practical then selling?



So people would sell the stuff instead? :P Problem would be that good gear makes for insane cash if you want to. So you'd have to make it sell for... ALOT of plats, also, it would severely mess up the economy.

Another problem is that alot of people take stuff just to make sure that other people dont have it


18 Mar 2015 22:16
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Draugor wrote:
Uhm... RDA are not even close to Calians in damage :P No matter the dex... just saying, so thats just wrong :P


Actually, they are. Calia and RDA are about equal in damage, Draugor, heck RDA vs Calian one on one, Calians stand little chance. Problem is, Calian damage increases with exponentially with more members, where 2 RDA of same size does twice the damage, 3 does 3 times what 1 could do, Calians would go from 1 to 2.5, 2.5 to 4 etc, and still, going solo as a calian would be like going solo as a member of the Thornlin Militia, ye you could kill stuff, but it'll either take long or you'll have to stick with much smaller than your own size. But now you're complaining about the calian guild, not the weapons, not the hoarding, so you're getting off topic.

Hoarding have been happening since items got restricted to a certain # of items, and with extencive recycling, the hoarding have basically gotten out of hands. With the change from Cotillion, the hoarding part will reduce itself. Now, with gear having been recycled the previous boot, the changes have not presented itself much yet, but they will, and when they do, the whining here will not be about hoarding but about how "I never find <insert item wanted here>, this new change sux!".

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18 Mar 2015 22:26
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Titan

Joined: 02 Sep 2010 21:25
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Icarus wrote:
Yes, SSoUT kenders get _more_ out of a hoopak than a calian, but then again,


as a player who was in SS for like 10 years (more or less) i can only comment it like this:

BUAHAHHAHAHHAHAHHAahhahahhHHAHAHAHAhahah


18 Mar 2015 22:37
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Myth

Joined: 06 Mar 2012 00:14
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Icarus wrote:
Draugor wrote:
Uhm... RDA are not even close to Calians in damage :P No matter the dex... just saying, so thats just wrong :P


Actually, they are. Calia and RDA are about equal in damage, Draugor, heck RDA vs Calian one on one, Calians stand little chance. Problem is, Calian damage increases with exponentially with more members, where 2 RDA of same size does twice the damage, 3 does 3 times what 1 could do, Calians would go from 1 to 2.5, 2.5 to 4 etc, and still, going solo as a calian would be like going solo as a member of the Thornlin Militia, ye you could kill stuff, but it'll either take long or you'll have to stick with much smaller than your own size. But now you're complaining about the calian guild, not the weapons, not the hoarding, so you're getting off topic.

Hoarding have been happening since items got restricted to a certain # of items, and with extencive recycling, the hoarding have basically gotten out of hands. With the change from Cotillion, the hoarding part will reduce itself. Now, with gear having been recycled the previous boot, the changes have not presented itself much yet, but they will, and when they do, the whining here will not be about hoarding but about how "I never find <insert item wanted here>, this new change sux!".



First of all, Calians arent alone, ever. So lets assume from 2 straight up, the tank gets a tankingbonus since the little bastard behind him helps to tank, he also gets the swarm one stat only damage raise... HUGE damage raise :P Plus riposte. The RDA get... squat :P Unless outdoor where they can use dragons to lower the defence alittle, but considering the bitching I've heard from RDA members that just left the guild... wont do much either. They do more damage as glads :P

We already have the "I never find <insert item wanted here>" stuff, but thats cause all stuff is out, this new change would just mean that everyone has an equal chance at getting the gear all the time


18 Mar 2015 22:45
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Myth

Joined: 06 Mar 2012 00:14
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Kvator wrote:
Icarus wrote:
Yes, SSoUT kenders get _more_ out of a hoopak than a calian, but then again,


as a player who was in SS for like 10 years (more or less) i can only comment it like this:

BUAHAHHAHAHHAHAHHAahhahahhHHAHAHAHAhahah



Well... they get more out of it but they dont actually amount to anything :P Even with a quickwood SS are quite useless


18 Mar 2015 22:46
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Joined: 04 Dec 2012 20:54
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Draugor wrote:
Kvator wrote:
Icarus wrote:
Yes, SSoUT kenders get _more_ out of a hoopak than a calian, but then again,


as a player who was in SS for like 10 years (more or less) i can only comment it like this:

BUAHAHHAHAHHAHAHHAahhahahhHHAHAHAHAhahah



Well... they get more out of it but they dont actually amount to anything :P Even with a quickwood SS are quite useless


As a player who has a character in the SS, and that for more than ten years, sure, but SS kenders never grow big... they're too reckless... Of course a myth get more out of a hoopie than a hero, but then again, so do a myth vs a hero in unarmed, or with a pogo stick...

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18 Mar 2015 22:55
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Myth

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Dude, SS are so severely underpowered that it doesent matter, the only thing they have thats actually worth anything is taunt. Cant remember my kenders name since I never logged him on for ages, but they are underskilled with weak specials. What takes even a ranger 1 minute to do takes 5 for a kender as it is sadly. Sure, kenders arent a really "warring guild" so to speak, but... theres just no real use for them now, wich is sad since they have awesome potential.

Also, we derailed, back on track :P


18 Mar 2015 23:05
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But I DO want to hoard (and NOT sell) all GSB if I am Irk and at war with Calians, KoS and BDA at once and don't have Rangers I can pass the swords to!
I want to keep all FBB out of those guilds too!
I want to keep all SoH/GT/quickwood/mauls away from Calia.
As a Ranger I want to keep all BHM in Rangers' racks because that's the only way Rangers can actually harm AA at all! Rangers tactics is ALL about taking your weapon and harassing you.

So back on track - if we'd agree on returning rare gear to the pool after some unused time, please consider that you would basically take away a major portion of war tactics from some guilds (i.e. Neidars or Rangers who won't be able to kill you, but might as well get lucky with all GSB, SoH, quickwoods, GT, mauls, BHM in their racks)

Btw. Laurel was a myth SS kender not long ago (rly!) - please go die with your claims, Icarus! You were even there, when the two of us tried Fael-thas - remember? Your hero merc bm was doing more dmg and was a better tank than Laurel with a quickwood.
How can you ever get more out of a weapon with SIGNIFICANTLY lower weapon skill and SIGNIFICANTLY worse scaling special???


19 Mar 2015 12:09
Myth

Joined: 06 Mar 2012 00:14
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Zestana wrote:
Right ^^ Neither me nor Laurel were saying REMOVE the damn weapons. We were saying that as people who oppose the guilds who use those weapons we want to be able to prevent them from getting said weapons. Was our English not clear enough or was it a comprehension problem on your end?



Remove them for those guilds. Wich is silly since there is to much of the "making shit for specific guilds" going on as it is, its silly. Balance the damn guilds properly instead.
If you want quickwoods away from the Calians, make the race kender "SS only" as in you have to be in the guild to be one. Or make Hoopaks into a specific skill (and this is prolly the better idea) since its a rather... unique weapon, doesent really resemble a polearm at all and since the sling on the weapon is useless unless you're SS its probably logical that its a guild skill to use it.
As for SoH... well since the Calians claim to be neutral (sometimes atleast wich is bullshit) just make them get booted if they go evil, problem solved.

Also, stop acting like a 5-year old. Hell you're worse than I am when I'm on a rant :P


19 Mar 2015 18:02
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