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How about tweaking the mob holding the item instead? Make the items actual rewards for a job well executed, rather than having people slay them over and over and over and over and eventually just.. give up.

Now the only racks you'll find mbp's in are those with teleportation, cause that trip to Emerald for a non-spawning plate?

Bleh, ain't happening.

nils wrote: ↑

06 Jan 2021 00:18

How about tweaking the mob holding the item instead? Make the items actual rewards for a job well executed, rather than having people slay them over and over and over and over and eventually just.. give up.

Now the only racks you'll find mbp's in are those with teleportation, cause that trip to Emerald for a non-spawning plate?

Bleh, ain't happening.

Yes, that is the other route to go. Make the really big bosses be Balrog/Nazgul difficulty, and, always have the good stuff. I am not opposed to that solution if someone wants to upgrade some of our bosses. I think that would be more fun in many ways, not only for EQ-hunting, but also for RP and socilizing in general. Obviously not _ALL_ bosses should be super-hard, but those with the absolute best EQ should be truly hard to beat.

Cherek wrote: ↑

07 Jan 2021 02:47

nils wrote: ↑

06 Jan 2021 00:18

How about tweaking the mob holding the item instead? Make the items actual rewards for a job well executed, rather than having people slay them over and over and over and over and eventually just.. give up.

Now the only racks you'll find mbp's in are those with teleportation, cause that trip to Emerald for a non-spawning plate?

Bleh, ain't happening.

Yes, that is the other route to go. Make the really big bosses be Balrog/Nazgul difficulty, and, always have the good stuff. I am not opposed to that solution if someone wants to upgrade some of our bosses. I think that would be more fun in many ways, not only for EQ-hunting, but also for RP and socilizing in general. Obviously not _ALL_ bosses should be super-hard, but those with the absolute best EQ should be truly hard to beat.

And truly deadly

Cherek wrote: ↑

05 Jan 2021 18:49

Good post Tor, I agree with more or less everything in it, and you basically explained my feelings regarding the EQ-uniqueness changes in a better way than I had been able to previously The idea of making all big bosses always have _something_ (but not always the top tier stuff) is definitely also a good idea.

Unfortunately, it seems that one of the prime examples I gave of a difficult boss always having a reward has actually been removed recently. The orc captain in Emerald no longer always has a weapon (runed axe, lance, katana, spirit sword, onyx sword, scimitar). Now, these weapons were not top tier and are already considered by most to be a secondary choice. This particular NPC is also quite out of the way and requires 2 boats (or teleportation, or using swimming enhancements) to reach.

Seems an unnecessary change to me and step in the wrong direction. I don't even use any of the weapons he carries so I'm not at all motivated by that, just thinking of others here.

Maybe give him some coin or a stash of gems to make the battle worthwhile for those of us who take the time to take two boats, slay three rooms of guards, and spend the time fighting him?

tor wrote: ↑

12 Jan 2021 05:49

Unfortunately, it seems that one of the prime examples I gave of a difficult boss always having a reward has actually been removed recently. The orc captain in Emerald no longer always has a weapon (runed axe, lance, katana, spirit sword, onyx sword, scimitar). Now, these weapons were not top tier and are already considered by most to be a secondary choice. This particular NPC is also quite out of the way and requires 2 boats (or teleportation, or using swimming enhancements) to reach.

Seems an unnecessary change to me and step in the wrong direction. I don't even use any of the weapons he carries so I'm not at all motivated by that, just thinking of others here.

Agreed. Orc captain is a challenging fight for melee characters and he should have a reasonable reward - his weapons were that. I would recommend reverting his loot table. I also recommend blocking teleportation to the island - bypassing all the guards and ships is too much of a benefit for those who can.

Quick brainfart here - Does a boss really have to be deadly in order to be viewed as difficult? I mean, in the real world this would certainly be the case, but here? We can discuss size inflation till our heads burst, but killing players in search of equipment regularly screams bad game design to me - unless we're talking about a Souls-game, which we're not.

nils wrote: ↑

20 Jan 2021 18:54

Quick brainfart here - Does a boss really have to be deadly in order to be viewed as difficult? I mean, in the real world this would certainly be the case, but here? We can discuss size inflation till our heads burst, but killing players in search of equipment regularly screams bad game design to me - unless we're talking about a Souls-game, which we're not.

No I dont think a boss has to be deadly in order to be rewarding. In my opinion it should be hard to beat, and require players to gather a team, encouraging socializing. I think we need more Balrog-sized bosses that always have something good, but hard enough to kill that they can't be constantly farmed. We could also limit the risk of it being formed by letting it take much longer than usual for it to reappear after being killed?

Cherek wrote: ↑

21 Jan 2021 13:26

nils wrote: ↑

20 Jan 2021 18:54

Quick brainfart here - Does a boss really have to be deadly in order to be viewed as difficult? I mean, in the real world this would certainly be the case, but here? We can discuss size inflation till our heads burst, but killing players in search of equipment regularly screams bad game design to me - unless we're talking about a Souls-game, which we're not.

No I dont think a boss has to be deadly in order to be rewarding. In my opinion it should be hard to beat, and require players to gather a team, encouraging socializing. I think we need more Balrog-sized bosses that always have something good, but hard enough to kill that they can't be constantly farmed. We could also limit the risk of it being formed by letting it take much longer than usual for it to reappear after being killed?

Needs to have rewards worth the time and effort though.
For example the Balrog does not.
Not by a longshot.

Amberlee: Yes, that was the whole idea. It would be pretty pointless otherwise.

Cherek wrote: ↑

21 Jan 2021 13:42

Amberlee: Yes, that was the whole idea. It would be pretty pointless otherwise.

Well I gave you a pointer on where to start fixing things then
And also word of advice.
Simply good equipment with a certain droprate is not really worth it.
For a Balrog size fight, perhaps something for everyone participating in the fight and rather make it perhaps a once to twice per arma thing?