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Re: Arman and Ranger Recode
Posted: 22 Jul 2019 00:41
by Arman
Draugor wrote:Speaking of this, whats up?
Pretty much same status as my last update. Their specials need to be standardised... Carnak created a prototype but it needs to be tested... and he has a bit of wanderlust at the moment so hasn't been working at the forge of late
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Global changes to skills were made to rogue classes to help facilitate the recode... but based on how their ranger spell system works I am loath to re-skill them until they are ready to transition to the standardised magic system.
So still lots to do.
Re: Arman and Ranger Recode
Posted: 22 Jul 2019 09:11
by Draugor
Arman wrote:Draugor wrote:Speaking of this, whats up?
Pretty much same status as my last update. Their specials need to be standardised... Carnak created a prototype but it needs to be tested... and he has a bit of wanderlust at the moment so hasn't been working at the forge of late
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Global changes to skills were made to rogue classes to help facilitate the recode... but based on how their ranger spell system works I am loath to re-skill them until they are ready to transition to the standardised magic system.
So still lots to do.
Aaah nice, I aint one but they deserve a recode, just wanted to know if it was still in the works
Aint it easier to just make a new guild and replace it? I heard the code is a goddamn nightmare
Re: Arman and Ranger Recode
Posted: 28 Jan 2021 15:14
by Felagund
Two years has passed uneventfully. There was no ranger recode implemented and from what I hear unofficially, the project has been abandoned. Could someone confirm or deny? What is a realistic term of recode, if it is even planned? Come on, guys, all of us know the code is difficult and needs to be completely rewritten. It's an old news. Is there anyone capable and willing to rewrite it? If not, I think we deserve an honest answer at least.
Rangers is the only guild that has their combat special cancelled both by water (why?) and arbitrary decisions of the wizards (among others, Jadestone cannot be brawled). It must be changed, as it goes against the balance of the game.
Re: Arman and Ranger Recode
Posted: 28 Jan 2021 15:41
by Cherek
There is no ongoing ranger recode project right now. There has been many attempts in the past, but to my knowledge not many have gotten very far. Actually, many haven't gotten past the idea stage, but Arman can perhaps provide more details, as he has been more involved in the recent attempts. It's possible there has been more groundwork than I know of, but regardless, a ranger recode does not feel very close right now...
I think we wizards (myself included) have for a long time also been a little... well... too hopeful? We always say that we really want to recode the rangers, and that they should be recoded, etc, which is true, and of course gives hope to players. I think everyone has had very good intentions as well, wanting to give players hope, but, I think at some point it starts working the other way. If we continue give you hope, but nothing happens, hope turns into hopelessness...
So... you asked for 100% honesty, here it is:
As I have mentioned in other threads, I think a good way of thinking for all players is to try not to "wait" for updates, recodes, new guilds, etc. I mean, questions about the ranger recode have been asked for at least 10-15 years now... that's a long time. At this point, I think it's better to simply play the current ranger guild as it is today, and have as fun as you can with it as it is. Or, choose another guild. Don't expect it will be recoded anytime soon, and if it one day is recoded, see it as a bonus.
Re: Arman and Ranger Recode
Posted: 29 Jan 2021 03:00
by Rache
Victory declared, Cherek emerges as long-serving, well-hidden Morgul spy.
Hail Melkor!
Re: Arman and Ranger Recode
Posted: 29 Jan 2021 13:21
by Cherek
Rache: Let's wait until after the magic ner... err, recode before you declare victory.
(I am JOKING, unless that was unclear)
Re: Arman and Ranger Recode
Posted: 29 Jan 2021 16:36
by varian
In the past couple months since I was made the Liege of Gondor/Shire, I have had several projects and evaluations going on within the domain.
The Rangers are one of these evaluations. There are two points relevant to this:
1: There is currently no recode actively underway.
2: One of my highest priorities is to have a Ranger recode completed.
I will not be announcing when the recode is actively underway. I will also not be giving any timelines about when it would be done by. I am not interested in teasing people along by promising on what is a MASSIVE project that I know I am unable to personally complete unaided. I am also not interested in having it done half-assed.
So... if it gets done, there isn't going to be a lot of notice. Nor am I going to spend a bunch of time talking about it or debating it in public.
Re: Arman and Ranger Recode
Posted: 29 Jan 2021 17:59
by Drazson
Thank you, that's actually quite kind.
Re: Arman and Ranger Recode
Posted: 29 Jan 2021 19:44
by Redblade
Cherek wrote: ↑28 Jan 2021 15:41
There is no ongoing ranger recode project right now. There has been many attempts in the past, but to my knowledge not many have gotten very far. Actually, many haven't gotten past the idea stage, but Arman can perhaps provide more details, as he has been more involved in the recent attempts. It's possible there has been more groundwork than I know of, but regardless, a ranger recode does not feel very close right now...
I think we wizards (myself included) have for a long time also been a little... well... too hopeful? We always say that we really want to recode the rangers, and that they should be recoded, etc, which is true, and of course gives hope to players. I think everyone has had very good intentions as well, wanting to give players hope, but, I think at some point it starts working the other way. If we continue give you hope, but nothing happens, hope turns into hopelessness...
So... you asked for 100% honesty, here it is:
As I have mentioned in other threads, I think a good way of thinking for all players is to try not to "wait" for updates, recodes, new guilds, etc. I mean, questions about the ranger recode have been asked for at least 10-15 years now... that's a long time. At this point, I think it's better to simply play the current ranger guild as it is today, and have as fun as you can with it as it is. Or, choose another guild. Don't expect it will be recoded anytime soon, and if it one day is recoded, see it as a bonus.
You've missed the point of hopelessness a while back. Many hopeless players left. Left the guild, left the character, left the game... It's a shame we try to attract new players and do so little to make some the old ones want to stay. Even more shame to discourage them further, if you ask me.
That being said, we'll just keep waiting. Varian's words sound promising. Looking forward to the "bonus" some day.
Re: Arman and Ranger Recode
Posted: 29 Jan 2021 21:28
by Cherek
Redblade: I understand my reply was not what you wanted to hear, but it was the truth. I get that you are frustrated, but to say we only focus on new players isn't really fair I think. We've added new guilds, grinding areas, events, a new decay system and all sorts of things, and most of it has been improvements that mainly affected established players. Just look at the State of the Donut posts for the last couple of years.
Not sure what you meant about discouraging players further. In what way to we discourage players?