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Re: Master of all trades, but jack of none?
Posted: 09 Sep 2020 15:41
by Amberlee
Redblade wrote: ↑09 Sep 2020 14:25
Amberlee wrote: ↑09 Sep 2020 14:03
Redblade wrote: ↑09 Sep 2020 12:48
Worshippers are not inherently good! They can be as evil as they like. I can make my Worshipper as evil as I see fit, as long as they respect the rules of the guild.
Warlocks, on the other hand, are flavoured that way that many Occupational good-aligned guilds restrict their members from being a Warlock. You're saying Warlocks are open to both good and evil. That's true - technically speaking. Perhaps then see if you know many good Warlocks and ask why. Or why not.
And yet they are under the complete control of a goodie guild.
And if you don't see the problem with that then you need to go sit in the corner.
Time out for you.
So what's the complete control?
That if you do something they don't like they can dropkick you out of the guild at will.
Re: Master of all trades, but jack of none?
Posted: 09 Sep 2020 16:02
by Redblade
Amberlee wrote: ↑09 Sep 2020 15:41
Redblade wrote: ↑09 Sep 2020 14:25
Amberlee wrote: ↑09 Sep 2020 14:03
And yet they are under the complete control of a goodie guild.
And if you don't see the problem with that then you need to go sit in the corner.
Time out for you.
So what's the complete control?
That if you do something they don't like they can dropkick you out of the guild at will.
The guild has very clearly set rules about when that happens. You need to uphold those. Where other Layman (not all) have that in the version of code and simple mistake kicks you out, here you're offered a chance to defend your deed in words.
Are you suggesting that any of the "goodies in control" ever missused their "complete control" over the Worshippers to harm an evil-aligned player? I don't feel that way.
On a different topic, perhaps. That of neutrality. There should be a magical option of Layman for those, who's alignment can shift. Mercs, Monks, SoHM, Gladiators... those who actually enjoy that they can be on either side of the neutral or just neutral. Let's not make all Layman guilds alignment-restricted please
Re: Master of all trades, but jack of none?
Posted: 09 Sep 2020 16:12
by Zhar
Redblade wrote: ↑09 Sep 2020 16:02
On a different topic, perhaps. That of neutrality. There should be a magical option of Layman for those, who's alignment can shift. Mercs, Monks, SoHM, Gladiators... those who actually enjoy that they can be on either side of the neutral or just neutral. Let's not make all Layman guilds alignment-restricted please
You have Minstrels for that. Most chill magic layman guild ever. You don't even need spell components!
Re: Master of all trades, but jack of none?
Posted: 09 Sep 2020 16:17
by Taro
On a different topic, perhaps. That of neutrality. There should be a magical option of Layman for those, who's alignment can shift. Mercs, Monks, SoHM, Gladiators... those who actually enjoy that they can be on either side of the neutral or just neutral. Let's not make all Layman guilds alignment-restricted please
Wasn't it just established that the Worshippers are neutral as well? You're not align-restricted to an Elemental or anything.
Re: Master of all trades, but jack of none?
Posted: 09 Sep 2020 16:31
by Amberlee
Redblade wrote: ↑09 Sep 2020 16:02
Amberlee wrote: ↑09 Sep 2020 15:41
Redblade wrote: ↑09 Sep 2020 14:25
So what's the complete control?
That if you do something they don't like they can dropkick you out of the guild at will.
The guild has very clearly set rules about when that happens. You need to uphold those. Where other Layman (not all) have that in the version of code and simple mistake kicks you out, here you're offered a chance to defend your deed in words.
Are you suggesting that any of the "goodies in control" ever missused their "complete control" over the Worshippers to harm an evil-aligned player? I don't feel that way.
On a different topic, perhaps. That of neutrality. There should be a magical option of Layman for those, who's alignment can shift. Mercs, Monks, SoHM, Gladiators... those who actually enjoy that they can be on either side of the neutral or just neutral. Let's not make all Layman guilds alignment-restricted please
Very clear set rules.
That made me laugh
Re: Master of all trades, but jack of none?
Posted: 09 Sep 2020 16:32
by Amberlee
Taro wrote: ↑09 Sep 2020 16:17
On a different topic, perhaps. That of neutrality. There should be a magical option of Layman for those, who's alignment can shift. Mercs, Monks, SoHM, Gladiators... those who actually enjoy that they can be on either side of the neutral or just neutral. Let's not make all Layman guilds alignment-restricted please
Wasn't it just established that the Worshippers are neutral as well? You're not align-restricted to an Elemental or anything.
No.
Redblade attempted to do that.
The fact is that it's a layman under the complete control of a goodie OCC guild.
It really ends there.
Re: Master of all trades, but jack of none?
Posted: 09 Sep 2020 17:11
by Redblade
Zhar: yes, Minstrels are super chill. So that's exactly, one option?
Amberlee, that's your opinion and above you have mine. The fact remain that EW are not restricted to good-align and that no evil player was kicked by "complete control" at least as long as I remember.
Re: Master of all trades, but jack of none?
Posted: 09 Sep 2020 18:20
by Taro
Amberlee wrote: ↑09 Sep 2020 16:32
Taro wrote: ↑09 Sep 2020 16:17
On a different topic, perhaps. That of neutrality. There should be a magical option of Layman for those, who's alignment can shift. Mercs, Monks, SoHM, Gladiators... those who actually enjoy that they can be on either side of the neutral or just neutral. Let's not make all Layman guilds alignment-restricted please
Wasn't it just established that the Worshippers are neutral as well? You're not align-restricted to an Elemental or anything.
No.
Redblade attempted to do that.
The fact is that it's a layman under the complete control of a goodie OCC guild.
It really ends there.
And that makes it not neutral? I've seen a BDA/Worshipper traveling with a Cleric, it's not as if there's any issue with evil Worshippers. Not seen any issue with evil members of that guild.
Re: Master of all trades, but jack of none?
Posted: 09 Sep 2020 20:55
by Amberlee
Taro wrote: ↑09 Sep 2020 18:20
Amberlee wrote: ↑09 Sep 2020 16:32
Taro wrote: ↑09 Sep 2020 16:17
Wasn't it just established that the Worshippers are neutral as well? You're not align-restricted to an Elemental or anything.
No.
Redblade attempted to do that.
The fact is that it's a layman under the complete control of a goodie OCC guild.
It really ends there.
And that makes it not neutral? I've seen a BDA/Worshipper traveling with a Cleric, it's not as if there's any issue with evil Worshippers. Not seen any issue with evil members of that guild.
Really?
Don't get me wrong I have seen it to and I know exactly who those people are.
Said character is no longer a BDA either fyi.
There is no restriction in the code but don't make the mistake of thinking that they are not run by goodies and that fact has major consequences.
Re: Master of all trades, but jack of none?
Posted: 09 Sep 2020 20:55
by Amberlee
Redblade wrote: ↑09 Sep 2020 17:11
Zhar: yes, Minstrels are super chill. So that's exactly, one option?
Amberlee, that's your opinion and above you have mine. The fact remain that EW are not restricted to good-align and that no evil player was kicked by "complete control" at least as long as I remember.
Have seen both characters kicked and down right bullied out of the guild.
So there is that.