Yup, that would work good enough.cotillion wrote:I think maybe we should pool buyout bids over 2-3 minutes and draw a winner after that time.
It would also give sellers higher, market-based prices. Good for new players who often set buyout too low.
Yup, that would work good enough.cotillion wrote:I think maybe we should pool buyout bids over 2-3 minutes and draw a winner after that time.
Looks like good solution.cotillion wrote:I think maybe we should pool buyout bids over 2-3 minutes and draw a winner after that time.
Isn't that the same advantage that scripting provides in all contexts? I don't have an auction script because I don't really buy from AH much, but if something pops up that I do want then I really have no desire to drop everything and haul tail to Sparkle just to find that someone got there five seconds earlier. (People will just camp AH though.)Cherek wrote:I though the problem was both that people with faster links had an unfair advantage over those who dont, but also that those with automated buying scripts had an advantage over those who don't know how to make such auto-buy scripts?
I don't see what good a delay does on its own though? If it's a 5 min delay I just set my script to start spamming "aubid" 4 min 59 seconds after my paddle vibrates. And if everyone does, the one with the best connection wins anyway. And non-scripters get nothing? Or what am I missing? Or course you could make it so you can't do more than one aubid every 10 sec or so, and/or have random delays, but that would just be inconvenient and annoying too?Mayobe wrote:Isn't that the same advantage that scripting provides in all contexts? I don't have an auction script because I don't really buy from AH much, but if something pops up that I do want then I really have no desire to drop everything and haul tail to Sparkle just to find that someone got there five seconds earlier. (People will just camp AH though.)Cherek wrote:I though the problem was both that people with faster links had an unfair advantage over those who dont, but also that those with automated buying scripts had an advantage over those who don't know how to make such auto-buy scripts?
I can see instant buy-outs being considered unfair, but a delay can fix that so that top-bidders win instead of fast connections. With a five minute delay there's no competitive advantage for scripters apart from convenience. The paddles notify everyone carrying them, scripter or not, and five to ten minutes seems like enough time to outbid someone's script.
Ah, you're talking about sniping rather than about buyouts. In the case of sniping (I thought that everyone had learned this from eBay years ago) it's annoying but it's not actually a problem in a healthy market. People have a maximum amount that they're willing to bid on an item. The objective of an auction is to get the seller the best deal from the available market. If you have a thousand scripters waiting to snipe and the spendiest one is prepared to lay down 100pc then the non-scripter wins by bidding 101pc. This isn't a situation where all scripters have infinite money. They have to decide how much they're willing to spend and how they should bid in order to avoid spending more than they need to. If sniping really bothers you that much then there's a simple solution that would solve both issues: do not allow an auction to close if there's been a bid in the past 5 minutes. (If this is abused then either restrict the number of post-deadline bids per user to 3 or else require every raise to be higher than the previous raise.)Cherek wrote:I don't see what good a delay does on its own though? If it's a 5 min delay I just set my script to start spamming "aubid" 4 min 59 seconds after my paddle vibrates. And if everyone does, the one with the best connection wins anyway. And non-scripters get nothing? Or what am I missing? Or course you could make it so you can't do more than one aubid every 10 sec or so, and/or have random delays, but that would just be inconvenient and annoying too?Mayobe wrote:Isn't that the same advantage that scripting provides in all contexts? I don't have an auction script because I don't really buy from AH much, but if something pops up that I do want then I really have no desire to drop everything and haul tail to Sparkle just to find that someone got there five seconds earlier. (People will just camp AH though.)Cherek wrote:I though the problem was both that people with faster links had an unfair advantage over those who dont, but also that those with automated buying scripts had an advantage over those who don't know how to make such auto-buy scripts?
I can see instant buy-outs being considered unfair, but a delay can fix that so that top-bidders win instead of fast connections. With a five minute delay there's no competitive advantage for scripters apart from convenience. The paddles notify everyone carrying them, scripter or not, and five to ten minutes seems like enough time to outbid someone's script.
Cotillion's solution sounds like the best one so far to me though. Scripts remain convenient for those who use them, but slow connection or lack of script does not give you a disadvantage.
I'll see if I can bribe Britanica.
Well, I would not be surprised to find some characters idle at Rommik while the player sleeps, or is at work, or any other time you don't want to play actively. And the camper with the best connection wins that battle if more than one player does it. That's why I liked Cotillion's idea more, since it never matters how quick your connections is then.gorboth wrote:Personally, I like the concept of having to return to the AH for buyout, but letting people bid otherwise remotely.
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If they do herd up, they're easy for admin to find. Maybe the suggested capcha could be used in this case to see if they're idling for the purpose of sniping bids?Cherek wrote:Well, I would not be surprised to find some characters idle at Rommik while the player sleeps, or is at work, or any other time you don't want to play actively. And the camper with the best connection wins that battle if more than one player does it. That's why I liked Cotillion's idea more, since it never matters how quick your connections is then.gorboth wrote:Personally, I like the concept of having to return to the AH for buyout, but letting people bid otherwise remotely.
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