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Assisting

Posted: 26 Aug 2020 13:23
by Drazson
Hello all,

Triggers for specials, looting and assists are something we all use.
I've lately realized that my assisting problem does not plague just me, so I thought I'd post here.

I trigger off allies attacking, turning, joining battle, many things. Generally, if someone starts combat in a non-stardard way and I realize that I don't assist, I find the message and add it to the already big regex. However, eventually adding lunges and whatnot means that I sometimes may proc assist more often than I'd like, an spamming ain't nice. People have bypassed that issue by setting a timer on their next assist proc all the time. Apart from all that, there is a problem which I pinpoint at the transition between enemies when one dies. If you assist right after you or an ally kill something the game tells you your team is not combat, despite that being untrue and you seeing attacks back n forth right after your assist failed. To avoid that, we generally use some kind of setTimeout to assist, essentially giving the game the time to realize we are actually in combat. [And, no, it's not because the tank did not attack the entire room.]

Suggestion: Since we can only try to tinker and fool the game mechanics (like the setTimeout approach), we will probably do very random things on our own. Can we get some kind of option to auto-assist? <options autoassist on> or maybe a team setting? Anything that can be core, provided by the game, while keeping the assist command for manual use if need be (PvP scenarios I guess).

TL;DR: We all use triggers for combat, and I find assisting mechanics to have some issues and us messing with silly timeouts and spammy triggers to fix it. Can we get more of a core solution to this?

P.S. We do not trigger out combat it in order to be afk or anything, it is just a burder to use battack manually after the 999999999999th time. The excitement of re-using your special and awaiting its results eagerly will hardly last. Same for assisting, I don't want to let my allies down when we're grouped to supposedly assist eachother and start assisting mid-fight or something. And it's not that easy to see always, my log runs like Bolt in teams at this point.

Re: Assisting

Posted: 26 Aug 2020 16:29
by TaranGoatWalker
completely agree with everything said

Re: Assisting

Posted: 26 Aug 2020 16:39
by Amberlee
Cater to even more robotics and make it even easier to be idle in teams?
No.

Re: Assisting

Posted: 26 Aug 2020 18:07
by nils
Make Genesis easier?
No

Re: Assisting

Posted: 26 Aug 2020 19:32
by Drazson
Making triggers go off in particular times because something bugs out is not the quintessential Genesis experience.

Re: Assisting

Posted: 26 Aug 2020 22:58
by Amberlee
Why not make specials fire automatically as well?
Or why not just allow full on robotics so the game becomes something akin to Idle Heroes?

Re: Assisting

Posted: 27 Aug 2020 03:35
by Drazson
Amberlee wrote:
26 Aug 2020 22:58
Why not make specials fire automatically as well?
Or why not just allow full on robotics so the game becomes something akin to Idle Heroes?
If you think grinding npcs in particular is all there is in the game, then I understand your point completely. I will not into it further, my suggestion is made. About the specials being auto-ed... it's been suggested as well in the past and of course it makes sense in my opinion. It is automated anyway, you just need to make the triggers (you are ready to... or settimeout 10 seconds... or whatever), just not for all guilds equally clearly.

Re: Assisting

Posted: 27 Aug 2020 10:42
by Amberlee
Drazson wrote:
27 Aug 2020 03:35
Amberlee wrote:
26 Aug 2020 22:58
Why not make specials fire automatically as well?
Or why not just allow full on robotics so the game becomes something akin to Idle Heroes?
If you think grinding npcs in particular is all there is in the game, then I understand your point completely. I will not into it further, my suggestion is made. About the specials being auto-ed... it's been suggested as well in the past and of course it makes sense in my opinion. It is automated anyway, you just need to make the triggers (you are ready to... or settimeout 10 seconds... or whatever), just not for all guilds equally clearly.
The automated specials was in fact tested and it worked well.
Too well.
So it was removed.
The issue is this, things like you suggest only encourage more robotic behaviour.
This is something I don't believe the admin wants and honestly in this I would fully agree with them too.

Re: Assisting

Posted: 28 Aug 2020 06:35
by sylphan
Amberlee wrote:
27 Aug 2020 10:42
The issue is this, things like you suggest only encourage more robotic behaviour.
This is something I don't believe the admin wants and honestly in this I would fully agree with them too.
I don't have an opinion on automating assist. I enjoy messing with triggers sometimes, but I can understand why many people wouldn't. But either way, people who want to be robots find a way. It's not like it's hard to find triggers out there. If you really want to discourage botting, you'd need to make growth much less dependent on mindless grinding. I mean, whether you're running all on triggers or paying attention and adjusting things manually, to grow requires pretty robotic behavior. This is the cause of botting, not the presence or absence of auto-assist.

Re: Assisting

Posted: 28 Aug 2020 12:23
by Amberlee
sylphan wrote:
28 Aug 2020 06:35
Amberlee wrote:
27 Aug 2020 10:42
The issue is this, things like you suggest only encourage more robotic behaviour.
This is something I don't believe the admin wants and honestly in this I would fully agree with them too.
I don't have an opinion on automating assist. I enjoy messing with triggers sometimes, but I can understand why many people wouldn't. But either way, people who want to be robots find a way. It's not like it's hard to find triggers out there. If you really want to discourage botting, you'd need to make growth much less dependent on mindless grinding. I mean, whether you're running all on triggers or paying attention and adjusting things manually, to grow requires pretty robotic behavior. This is the cause of botting, not the presence or absence of auto-assist.
Does not mean it has to be catered to.