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When I compare the nowadays Genesis to the times back when I started in 1994 it strikes me, that most of the layman guilds do a lot of damage.
I think that it was just angmar and monks before.

This has following effects:

• player characters deal a lot more damage then before
• players kill monsters faster
• players gain experience faster
• less incentive to team
• players are able to solo a lot more then before
• inflation - need for more and "bigger" killing areas (more powerful and rewarding enemies to kill are needed)
• layman guilds without the ability to constantly deal damage are less powerful and less interesting
• guild inflation (I am really sorry to say that) copy-paste guilds appear, with poor lore and RP excuse to offer players special attack dealing damage:
  militia, blademasters, minotaurs.

The abilities dealing damage add nothing to gameplay.
I really hate nerfs but I say: all the layman special attacks dealing damage should be removed.
That would make some guilds (blademasters, minotaurs) useless.
This abilities should be replaced by some other abilities or guilds should be closed.

Q: Want more damage?
A: Team

I actually would like even MORE layman guilds.
More choises, more differences and more fun

Epic pic imo!!

Mersereau wrote:[...]

Did it help?

I have no idea what the pic is saying about the thread.
Is it just me?

I guess the Layman guild pwnage started with the blademasters?
Personally I think a stunning layman is even more of a game changer than pure damage tho.
And now we have the damage avoidance ones as well.

I remember when for extra damage it was just the minstrels with the occasional vibrato mana willing, monks (difficult to join) with maegeri or AA without shield bashing so had to use a club at the sucky skill levels to smash. (Maybe forgetting a few those were all I knew)

Its progress, giving more rounded out character choice.
Agreed characters are more powerful as a result but isn't that more fun?

Do you remember / ever hear of a "stat change". I am not sure supreme stats existed then but the game had a lot of people at IMM soloing Emerald and such like. Characters were considered to big and powerful and the solution implemented to balance the mud was to make everyone smaller. I _hated_ it. Just like dying a lot of times and going backwards, from soloing Emerald to no longer being able to kill Alexander without getting beat up. This was the main reason I stopped playing my first char and took a break.

The alternatives to inflation seem limited...?
To avoid nerfing I would rather see the idea of an Immortal Isle, with different challenges that just grinding. More warfare and players dying etc.

Tarax the Terrible wrote:Its progress, giving more rounded out character choice.

Its not more choice. You just have to join the layman guild matching with your occupational guild.
Monk? Join angmar, minotaurs or templars. Knight? Join blademasters or militia, etc.

More damage adds nothing new. Its pretty much: add one more trigger and you are set.

Abilities like stun, heal, cleanse, rescue, evade, move behind, ... add some tactics, especially if you have team with various abilities.
On the other thread you write that you want more tactics, but when it comes to choice, you choose like everyone else - damage.
And you choose right, because that is what counts.
But why to code guilds for that? Waste of time. Add an layman guild similiar to merceneries, pick your skill - voila!
Everyone is happy.

sharn wrote:The abilities dealing damage add nothing to gameplay.
I really hate nerfs but I say: all the layman special attacks dealing damage should be removed.
That would make some guilds (blademasters, minotaurs) useless.
This abilities should be replaced by some other abilities or guilds should be closed.

Nothing makes an AoB more giddy than to here these words. *gets out the nerf bat*

petros wrote:

sharn wrote:The abilities dealing damage add nothing to gameplay.
I really hate nerfs but I say: all the layman special attacks dealing damage should be removed.
That would make some guilds (blademasters, minotaurs) useless.
This abilities should be replaced by some other abilities or guilds should be closed.

Nothing makes an AoB more giddy than to here these words. *gets out the nerf bat*

Well I really hope Petros is joking or you might have some angry people to face Sharn