A separate brute for guild exp

[Sharn]

btw. thank you Tarax for my new signature

Oh well he missed the comma...Lets burn him.
I wonder why you wont put all Allorana posts in your signature
But please, do not.

[Tarax the Terrible]

btw. thank you Tarax for my new signature

Tarax wrote: before when calling for something after making

Okay Mr Obscuro..

[Rhaegar]

I didn't mean anything bad with this. Just when I first read this part of the sentence I was like and then I was like but then again and finally

It's a bit like the famous 'life of lively to live to life of full life thx to shield battery'.

[Sharn]

I didn't mean anything bad with this. Just when I first read this part of the sentence I was like and then I was like but then again and finally

It's a bit like the famous 'life of lively to live to life of full life thx to shield battery'.

Then put: "I have problems with understanding simple sentenes." in your signature, rather then part of Tarax sentence.

[Rhaegar]

I guess I should be sorry that I was not born a native English speaker and thus fail to comprehend some of the finer nuances of simple sentences written in this beautiful, yet complex, language...

[Tive]

I guess I should be sorry that I was not born a native English speaker and thus fail to comprehend some of the finer nuances of simple sentences written in this beautiful, yet complex, language...

that would make a nice signature too!

[Tarax the Terrible]

Group hug time!

[Rhaegar]

[Tarax the Terrible]

Well the last few posts withstanding I would be interested to bring up this topic again.
Last post over a year ago, but its still relevant.

The crux of the gripe is that your brutality putting the breaks on overall growth is fine.
But it blows that a high brute character drags the same huge f*cking rock on a chain behind them when trying to make progress in their guild exp.

Let me say this first - Yes dedication to your guilds should be rewarded.
We all associate certain players with certain guilds. Compared to Rhynox or Earth I'm a guild hopper.
But I am still spending years at a time in the guilds and see the changes as a progression of my characters story (which retains a consistent theme).
I think the in game rewards for dedication to a guild are holding the leadership positions, having power over how the guild is to be run, respect from your peers. The effect of guild exp on the power of the guild abilities is also noticeably drastic in some guilds. I mean ingly so..


But it is after all possible to change guilds, so late game changing guilds will happen, especially layman moves.
If someone wants a change and it keeps them active surely that is better than them staying put and loosing interest.
Yes you could play a second and get it out of your system, but some people don't.


Personally I feel exp related titles are also a nice part of the game design, an incremental step, the next small goal to shoot for.
Especially when you mortal level is a lot more of slow and stead progression, or already maxed.
Good design is being able to progress through these goals but with diminishing returns.
And most titles seem to be set up this way for the amount of exp required to "pop" the next one getting bigger each time.

But the MASSIVE difference in the rate that low brute characters go through the titles for making similar kill exps to high brute is just nuts..

That someone who plods away gets seriously leap frogged by the person who dies and recovers is also dumb.
"The master gladiator is the one who dies most." Death should knock back your guild exp not be an early xmas.
Now if we "fixed" that and ppl were more likely to quit when they die, that would suck. So its a trade off.

Or to change it and suddenly everyone is at the TOP title in a week also breaks the game as that is too quick.

I would like to see it normalize somewhere in the middle, slower for low brute and repeat death chars and faster for those with high brute.
IE guild exp gets its own "brute", which is limited to its max and min effect much more so than our std brute.

[Strider]

I am not sure that there are not some unfortunate side effects if you give each guild stat its own brute or if that would accomplish everything we might want. Rather than start recommending tweaks, I'd like to back up and discuss goals:

• Death and death recovery should not be a path to advancement.
• Everyone, no matter their character size, should be able to advance in any given guild at about the same rate. So, adjusting for player skill and luck, any character should get about one guild-tax-advancement-unit per grind-hour.
• A new system should allow each guild to be customized as to how death impacts guild titles or guild-abilities. Guild lore should dictate if a player looses titles when they die and don't gain them back quickly when recovering, or if they can only advance, if they simply get labeled "big dummy" the whole time they are on recovery or what have you. Similarly, whether one loses twice on specials from both guild experience and stats, can only improve in ability, or whatever else may meet balance considerations should also be determined by the guild.
• All guilds, especially guilds balanced by high tax, must require a significant investment before their full power is realized. It is inherently broken to allow someone to grow large outside of a high tax guild first and then suddenly gain the full benefits of that without having paid any of it along the way.
• On the other hand, the system should not leave players feeling their characters are locked in their guilds. It might even be reasonable for some credit should carry over guild to guild.

Thoughts?