Looking a gift horse in the mouth

[Cherek]

What bugs me the most is the restoration. Like I said, I think the change is a bad one, but thats one thing. Restoring someone who was killed according to the rules, fair and square, is to me a really bad move.

Like Gorboth said himself the "give" tactics has been around for ages. Everyone who ever died due to them being given something should now be restored?

No really, the moss was coded like that, and the game too. It was not a _bug_. Sure they can change it to keep it from happening again, but restoring someone who died from something that was coded to work like that and always has been... no. Boooo.

Tons of people have died from being given stuff in the past. Now all of a sudden someone is restored.

And I dont know why you should not be allowed to kill anyone for botting? Who said that? Thats in the rules? The rules say you can kill anyone for anything as you please. No reasons whatsoever. So if you feel like killing someone because they are botting, idling or simply because you dont like their hair color, go ahead. Someone was killed because someone else did not like them idling, or because someone just didnt like them... for whatever reason it was a perfectly fair kill, and had never happened had the person not been idle.

Are we suddenly restoring all people who die when idle?

But well, its like I have always been saying. I think we need super clear rules, not case to case judgements by one person. Same for everyone. The case by case policy just causes problems and mistrust and has always done so, and is ultimately bad for the community as a whole. And also causes alot of work for the AoP.

I honestly think we should just have a list of preset rules and then use them. In all cases. Then you can just point at the rules and say "Look this is how it is". No more case to case...

In this case I think the rule should be:

No players will be restored from deaths.

It is the most fair. Of course you can be extremely unlucky and actually die from a real bug, but well... thats unlucky. Hopefully your death means the bug will fixed atleast. And honestly, how often does someone actually die from a bug?

[Cherek]

I am sure he's not restored. They can't be that dumb. A lot of people has died over the years because of idle or being given poison to eat or burdened with "hipos" in the heat of the battle. Everyone knows it. And the moss has existed for many years as well.
Why would they suddenly restore someone now?

So what does Gorboth mean by this then?

Do I protect Pharaxes? No more than I protect any player. Pharaxes isn't someone I know more than most other players. I've restored quite a few of the players who have complained about this quite a few times.

He says he has restored quite a few players who has complained about this quite a few times. That can only mean Pharaxes was restored? Or if not Pharaxes, it atleast means many others have been restored for the same reason before... so if many others have been restored, then it would seem very strange to NOT restore Pharaxes. So he should be restored if he has not been already.

[Alorrana]

well did he get restored or is it just an angry rumor ?

last i spoke with him, he was planing just to recover and that be it.. ? not more than a few days ago..

[Cherek]

well did he get restored or is it just an angry rumor ?

last i spoke with him, he was planing just to recover and that be it.. ? not more than a few days ago..

Well I just base it on the above statement by Gorboth that people usually get restored when this happens.

If he did not mean it happend this time, then I withdraw everything I said about Pharaxes being restored. However, I will then instead complain about everyone else who has been restored for this in the past. Because that we know atleast. Gorboth just said so. It is even more silly if people have been restored for this for years...

[Alorrana]

I agree, there has been some doubtfull restorations, but as i Know, he didnt, I could be wrong too. And if he did, i find it wrong, because he was in game, with hes character, and breaking a rule, so he should have been handled accordingly. (in the perfect world) but I agree if he did get a restoration its a bit off.. Of not alot, It was stupidity that caused him dying, I agree on that too, and no restoration should be needed.

[Tive]

Haha, that's the kind of shit that makes me not to play the game.

it's the attitude like Gorboth's here, which makes Genesis die

[Alorrana]

Well i wouldnt stop playing, cause it really dosnt consern me

but different strokes for different folks i guess.

problem with gorboth i think is, sometime he speaks like gandalf, a bit in codes.. or puzzles.. and it may confuse people. You speak in riddles my friend. Perhaps some orcish brute layout carved in stone explanation is needed

But anyways, no an issue to stop playing on, thats for sure. You have no reason at all to stop playing either, you werent wronged, so.. and what happens and beeing said on the forum is sometimes far far from the truth in game.. Not saying that wizards lie or anything, but some players do like to add a little extra to the table.

[Cherek]

Well. There is an easy way to find out. Someone just have to ask him.

Guess we should get our facts first.

But facts are that people have been restored for the same thing in the past. Allthough we dont know the details, but it does sound fishy... the whole thing.

If it has been going on for awhile, why on earth was it not fixed after the first kill? Why keep letting people use it and keep restoring people who die from it, until now. Maybe nobody had time to fix it, but then atleast someone could have posted a common board note saying "This is not meant to be, this is bugged, we will fix it, in the meantime dont use it". It takes like 30 seconds or less to do... could have spared alot of people alot of trouble...

Of course wizards can, and will make, mistakes all the times. But I say just be open about it. Yeah we screwed up, we should have done this, but we didnt and now this happened, sorry, etc etc. Being open and explaining what happens and why is imho good for the community, and makes players trust the wizards more, and also makes us accept mistakes better.

[Laurel]

Laurel was the last (known to me) victim of the block at Goblin Lord ... I fail to remember anyone offering me even the slightest chances to have her restored, eventho the room was changed immediately (afaik)

btw. does anyone actually KNOW about P's restoration, or is everybody talking out of their asses now?

[Cherek]

Laurel: I am dont know anything. I just based it on what Gorboth said that people have been restored many times in the past for the same problem.

If that is common practice, then it would be strange of Pharaxes isnt, I mean, he shuld be shouldnt he? If thats whats been done for others in the past?

Else it would be even more unfair.