Morgul Mage Discussion - power, grinding, balance

[Laurel]

Consider the cost in Mats aswell, mana, herbs and leftovers, they waste HUGE amounts for that kind of xp.

come on - that's not balance?! before someone can go malee those places s/he needs to prepare as well
I don't know about mana and herbs, but leftovers they create in the process ... don't you think?

[Kas]

So, what's best for grinding, xp/hour:

A Killing 20 npc's twice as fast as B, or B killing unlimited npc's at half speed as A?

The numbers are hypothetical.

[Chanele]

I played for more then eight hours yesterday, had crappy gear and couldnt find anything useful. I ended up with a slight progress.

Are you saying you need to gather components for more time then that to acomplish the same progress?

[Chanele]

I'm not complaining about your strength on the contrary.
There is ways to counter many of your abilities so there is not a total lack of balance here. But not saying you are strong is an understatement dont you think?

[Kas]

Our relative strength also comes with several quite substantial burdens and penalties that stretches beyond death, that is forever present until the day we are utterly destroyed, from the lowest apprentice to the King of Minas Morgul himself. They are not unlike the compromise of the Calians for superb dps in teams in exchange for lower dps solo, without me spilling details.

A fun fact: More mages have died recently by their own hands, than they have slain enemies.

The service to the Eye is quite "entropic" in nature, so you have to give/sacrifice a truckload in order to receive anything at all.

[Alexi]

Having played both a Mage and as most fighter guilds, I'll say that grinding as a Mage is way more difficult and takes more preparation, then logging in, grabbing equipment and going slaying.

While they might be able to blast out a camp of trolls faster then anyone, ask them to do it continously throughout the day, they can't. Unlike a team of fighters who can just sit there endlessly killing.

[Chanele]

So you compare A mage with a team of warriors?:)

[Cherek]

Having played both a Mage and as most fighter guilds, I'll say that grinding as a Mage is way more difficult and takes more preparation, then logging in, grabbing equipment and going slaying.

While they might be able to blast out a camp of trolls faster then anyone, ask them to do it continously throughout the day, they can't. Unlike a team of fighters who can just sit there endlessly killing.

All I ever said was MM are a good, perhaps the best, SOLO grinding guild. I did not say a team of warriors cant clean trolls all day, but no solo warrior the same size as an MM can kill Mithas trolls or Quali-elves I would say.

I dont know how much time is needed to prepare though, and if bursting through Mithas trolls as a mage or continously killing smaller opponents as a warrior gives more or less XP. My _guess_ is the mage wins though, unless you are a hardcore player who plays you warrior char all day grinding, grindig, grinding.

From an outsider's perspective it _seems_ to me mages are very good at grinding solo, and extremely good in PVP. And I have a feeling they would not be bad at all to have in a team either. How serious the drawbacks are I dont know, but they need to be pretty serious I think.

[Alexi]

but no solo warrior the same size as an MM can kill Mithas trolls or Quali-elves I would say.

Not correct.

I can and have solo killed in Qual and Mithas as a DO/AA with little to no downtime. Now granted the "productivity" is not there, takes me 5x longer to kill them then it would a team of warriors or a mage, but I can and have done it.

As a Champion, and as a Legend.

[Draugor]

They are very good at grinding solo, in bursts, I have teamed some with mages and they cant do it 24/7 like some of our more notorious bots