Stopping script-buying on the Auction House

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Re: Stopping script-buying on the Auction House

Post by Cherek » 07 Mar 2016 22:00

Irk: Mirandus is AoP now so bringing stuff to me will just have me forward it to him.:) But as far as I know we have no rule against using triggers or scripts to buy things from the auction, unless you break the rules by doing it in a botting-way, completely unattended. Then it might break our botting rules... even though auction-botting is not specifically mentioned.

And no Freya I don't think we should add that rule either, the poor AoP got enough rules to try to enforce. And where do you draw the line? It's probably possible for a quick typer to buy something within 2-3 seconds of it being listed. How am I going to prove they were using a script and were not just quick? Add a 5 second rule? Then you can script it anyway? I don't see a rule working here, and in general I feel the less rules the better, both for AoP and the players. I think this is a real problem, but it is also fixable with code, question is just which solution to chose. (and who will volunteer to do it of course).

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Re: Stopping script-buying on the Auction House

Post by Freya » 07 Mar 2016 22:02

So make it so no item from AH can be bought within the first hour its been listed, that and remove maximum bid should solve the problem of the greedy people who just want everything for themself.

That way everyone who is online gets a shot at buying the stuff and not just the people with scripts or a quick link.

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Re: Stopping script-buying on the Auction House

Post by Mayobe » 07 Mar 2016 22:05

Freya wrote:greedy people who just want everything for themself
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I'm losing patience now, so I'm going to leave the thread.

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Re: Stopping script-buying on the Auction House

Post by Cherek » 07 Mar 2016 22:12

Freya: If we remove buy now you will force people who want to buy popular stuff to be logged in when the auction ends, and then it's about who makes the highest bid exactly the second before it ends, which also can be scripted... Unless you make it so you don't know when an auction ends, but that won't be very user friendly instead.

Or, like someone suggested before, we make it so auction times are extended by a couple of seconds each time someone makes a bid. Still, that means you can't buy a thing right away, and you have to wait for an auction to end and be around to win the auction when it does end. That promotes playing the game and being active though, which usually is a good thing. It would also be the most fair solution probably, as everyone gets a chance to bid, and whoever spends the most money wins, not whoever has the best scripts or quickest connection. Not sure if removing buy now completely is something people want though?

Personally I like the buy now feature, and I think the suggestion by Cotillion fixes the issues with connection speeds and scripts, while still keeping it convenient for players.

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Post by Freya » 07 Mar 2016 22:21

Cherek wrote:Freya: If we remove buy now you will force people who want to buy popular stuff to be logged in when the auction ends, and then it's about who makes the highest bid exactly the second before it ends, which also can be scripted... Unless you make it so you don't know when an auction ends, but that won't be very user friendly instead.

Or, like someone suggested before, we make it so auction times are extended by a couple of seconds each time someone makes a bid. Still, that means you can't buy a thing right away, and you have to wait for an auction to end and be around to win the auction when it does end. That does promotes playing the game and being active though, so it could work. Not sure if it's something people want though? It would be the most fair solution probably, as everyone gets a chance to bid, and whoever bids the most wins, not whoever has the best scripts or quickest connection.

Personally I like the buy now feature, and I think the suggestion by Cotillion fixes the issues with connection speeds and scripts, while still keeping it convenient for players.
So having it be a lottery among those people with scripts who buy it first is better you think? Or did I misunderstand his idea?

I actually think removing preventing max bid buys the first hour of the action would help stop the issues we're having, like I said there's a handful of players who got scripts, its the same people who have been scripting to gain size over the last couple of years, its the people who want everything for themself. Letting them keep on script buying AH items does not benefit the game one bit.

To prevent people from making last minute bids, remove the time thats show, let it be no time shown at all, or make it "approximatly 1 hour left of the auction" meaning it could be anything from 1-59 minutes left.

Thats another issue we're having with the AH, its the last second bids, it should be adressed as well.

I do like the idea of having the auction pro-longed with a certain amount of time if a bid comes in, but a think a few seconds is to short time, make it 5 minutes, that way people at least get the shot at running to a bank and making a bid(otherwise you'll just have people standing around in guildhalls with a huge heap of plats and autobidding to win).

Personally I don't think showing time remaining of the auction helps , I'd rather let it be a mystery, that way you promote people who are active, but at the same time don't let the scripters decide who gets what.

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Re: Stopping script-buying on the Auction House

Post by Ydred » 07 Mar 2016 22:58

Starting to think that unless you force us to run to AH to bid our initial bid (if not all bids), scripts will win out here.

And since I know so many are using them I will have to write one too.

Course if you removed the lower bid and let us put stuff at higher prices without 30% down payment, the smaller ones could put up a str item at 200-300 plats without needing 66plats to chance it.

And if script bought it out at least it would be high.

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Re: Stopping script-buying on the Auction House

Post by Sykil » 08 Mar 2016 00:15

1 line of code solution solve all of this with some common sense.
If bid# = max/buyout bid#, player must be in auction house to succeed, otherwise reject bid.

This won't lead to cheat buying, but if it do, the person is now idling with the item which is existing rule they break in addition to unattended play. If you can't enforce that, you should not be aop. Will it happen? No, the problem buyers are bot-grinding for xp, not hang in Sparkle. There is no trigger path to go buy. There is no bot-grind xp in Sparkle.

The bot-grinders wants you to remove max buyout so they with unlimited funds (from bot-grinding) can buy highest and get everything. Of course they do.

Leave everything as now but make people to go to Sparkle for buyout if they want. It would suck to remove buyout which let you get money asap if you sell or get item asap if you want to use right away.
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Re: Stopping script-buying on the Auction House

Post by gorboth » 08 Mar 2016 00:23

I agree with Sykil. My favorite option is forcing players to be in the AH for buyout bids. People who set up AH bots will be ground to sausage and fed to Stern.

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Re: Stopping script-buying on the Auction House

Post by Ydred » 08 Mar 2016 00:26

Saves me having to write a new script. :)

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Re: Stopping script-buying on the Auction House

Post by Avatar » 08 Mar 2016 00:43

gorboth wrote:I agree with Sykil. My favorite option is forcing players to be in the AH for buyout bids. People who set up AH bots will be ground to sausage and fed to Stern.

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