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Kiara on alignment balance
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Re: Kiara on alignment balance
Re: Kiara on alignment balance
I think this it is less of an activity matter really as even if im not active im still reading forums and stuff (i couldnt find my forum password or reset it for a long time but the wizards reset it for me).
I believe the real case is im not in scop so when it was announced i glossed over it mentally. since they weren't threats and at that point i believed they were to much like the rangers (meaning of a similar alignment and play-style) to put my alt in,
but since alliance stuff ive been much more observant to other good aligned guilds. plus i have friends in scop now.
I believe the real case is im not in scop so when it was announced i glossed over it mentally. since they weren't threats and at that point i believed they were to much like the rangers (meaning of a similar alignment and play-style) to put my alt in,
but since alliance stuff ive been much more observant to other good aligned guilds. plus i have friends in scop now.
Last edited by Snowrose on 17 Oct 2013 03:26, edited 2 times in total.
Re: Kiara on alignment balance
Well, let me just say one thing,
I don't think you can really compare us to Rangers...and I really would prefer people not "put alts in" as you put it.
Windemere
I don't think you can really compare us to Rangers...and I really would prefer people not "put alts in" as you put it.
Windemere
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Laurel
Re: Kiara on alignment balance
should we move to flames now? I feel like flaming everybody who doesn't play one char now for the same reasons you wrote the aboveWindemere wrote: I really would prefer people not "put alts in" as you put it.
Windemere
especially when all those chars are used for is *##%&*@!!!
Re: Kiara on alignment balance
I do think its funny that you get crap for moving around guilds when it seems the standard way to do it is by creating an alt.Laurel wrote:should we move to flames now? I feel like flaming everybody who doesn't play one char now for the same reasons you wrote the aboveWindemere wrote: I really would prefer people not "put alts in" as you put it.
Windemere
especially when all those chars are used for is *##%&*@!!!
Signed,
Someone else with one char since 1992 or so
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Laurel
Re: Kiara on alignment balance
Funny
Frustrating
Fucked up
False
Sometimes one of those, sometimes more. Sometimes pure hypocritical.
Frustrating
Fucked up
False
Sometimes one of those, sometimes more. Sometimes pure hypocritical.
Re: Kiara on alignment balance
I have two characters,
Both are primary characters to whom I dedicate a lot of time and effort. I only made the comment because "putting an alt in it" seems a bit dismissive to those who dedicate a lot of time and effort.
If what was meant is that you would like to create another character to dedicate time and effort to experiencing the guild and enjoying it, then fine, go right ahead. Perfectly legitimate. If the goal is to create an Alt to whom you have no feelings either way to be able to learn about the guild and what it offers, that is where I have issue. I have seen that occur and it is detrimental to the guild.
I do not give anyone flack for switching guilds. Personally, Windemere has been in numerous guilds since 1996. I finally found one I like and enjoy playing. I think what people get concerned about is swapping guilds numerous times in a short period. That is a personal choice tho and if someone wants to put time into joining a guild and then leave to find another, go right for it.
I did not mean to hijack the topic or flame anyone. I just felt the statement was not respectful to those who put a great deal of time and effort into joining the guild and roleplaying within it.
I may have over reacted, I apologize. I've been a member of Spirit Circle for a LONG time and have a great deal of respect for the guild and those who still wake within it.
Windemere
Both are primary characters to whom I dedicate a lot of time and effort. I only made the comment because "putting an alt in it" seems a bit dismissive to those who dedicate a lot of time and effort.
If what was meant is that you would like to create another character to dedicate time and effort to experiencing the guild and enjoying it, then fine, go right ahead. Perfectly legitimate. If the goal is to create an Alt to whom you have no feelings either way to be able to learn about the guild and what it offers, that is where I have issue. I have seen that occur and it is detrimental to the guild.
I do not give anyone flack for switching guilds. Personally, Windemere has been in numerous guilds since 1996. I finally found one I like and enjoy playing. I think what people get concerned about is swapping guilds numerous times in a short period. That is a personal choice tho and if someone wants to put time into joining a guild and then leave to find another, go right for it.
I did not mean to hijack the topic or flame anyone. I just felt the statement was not respectful to those who put a great deal of time and effort into joining the guild and roleplaying within it.
I may have over reacted, I apologize. I've been a member of Spirit Circle for a LONG time and have a great deal of respect for the guild and those who still wake within it.
Windemere
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I've more or less tried all guilds a kender can try and I enjoyed them all! If you like to try new things... Why not?!? I never understood the problem with guild switching either. And if you're a curious character that might just be great RP too.
But we're moving away from the topic too much now.
Back on track! We talked about if too many evil caster guilds is potentially bad if there's no goodie caster guild(s) around.
Thats the topic here.
To summarize my own thoughts I think the cult of Chemosh sounds like a really cool and fun guild. But I worry about potential lack of RP choices and PVP issues with several evil caster choices, but, with the potential removal of Scops, none if you wanna be purely "goodie", and not share a neutral guild with all sorts of people.
From reading this thread though, most who have voiced their opnions dont seem to share my worry. So maybe there's nothing to worry about. But if nothing else at least I'll be able to say "I told you so" When 90% of our population are undead and the game is renamed to "Zombiesis".
But we're moving away from the topic too much now.
Back on track! We talked about if too many evil caster guilds is potentially bad if there's no goodie caster guild(s) around.
Thats the topic here.
To summarize my own thoughts I think the cult of Chemosh sounds like a really cool and fun guild. But I worry about potential lack of RP choices and PVP issues with several evil caster choices, but, with the potential removal of Scops, none if you wanna be purely "goodie", and not share a neutral guild with all sorts of people.
From reading this thread though, most who have voiced their opnions dont seem to share my worry. So maybe there's nothing to worry about. But if nothing else at least I'll be able to say "I told you so" When 90% of our population are undead and the game is renamed to "Zombiesis".
Re: Kiara on alignment balance
I did not mean any offence i don't have a lot of characters or anything I have 2 that i actively play. one i've been playing since the mid 90s exclusively the other i started this year to see the newbie-land and I got her to wanderer and then stopped leveling because I am not sure what to do with her.
i don't wish to be booted out of academics if i don't know where to go next. ( i made one a couple of years ago but she didn't really get far either at least i have a better idea of what i want for krys)
"like the rangers" means a stealthy clerical (healing) guild that is specifically placed as an enemy to the morgul mages. so so my alt will have the same enemies....same friends and it would be very hard to avoid crossover. and I love rangers to much to leave it. one might be able to take of offence to saying rangers cannot compare to scop but i will try to assume you mean it in an apples and oranges way.
I was debating the occ elemental as well but once again im not sure if they would have the same issue as scop. even though they are neutral. I also considered monks but I am not sure how well they would fit the character. and i don't wish to go full evil due to conflicts of interest.
Another reason I do have the alt is while snowrose was my first ever genesis character and will probably always be my main just due to seniority. Krys is the character that i often have as one of my two RP mains in most modern games. the other rp character would not really fit in genesis.
to bring it back to guilds alignment and or balance. a true non heal centered non stealthy good or neutral DPS caster guild was what i was looking at for this character so I am defiantly rooting that the Occ elementalists are something in that vein. and why i may have not noticed the info about scop. I think Scop is an awesome concept and i don't want them to change.
i don't wish to be booted out of academics if i don't know where to go next. ( i made one a couple of years ago but she didn't really get far either at least i have a better idea of what i want for krys)
"like the rangers" means a stealthy clerical (healing) guild that is specifically placed as an enemy to the morgul mages. so so my alt will have the same enemies....same friends and it would be very hard to avoid crossover. and I love rangers to much to leave it. one might be able to take of offence to saying rangers cannot compare to scop but i will try to assume you mean it in an apples and oranges way.
I was debating the occ elemental as well but once again im not sure if they would have the same issue as scop. even though they are neutral. I also considered monks but I am not sure how well they would fit the character. and i don't wish to go full evil due to conflicts of interest.
Another reason I do have the alt is while snowrose was my first ever genesis character and will probably always be my main just due to seniority. Krys is the character that i often have as one of my two RP mains in most modern games. the other rp character would not really fit in genesis.
to bring it back to guilds alignment and or balance. a true non heal centered non stealthy good or neutral DPS caster guild was what i was looking at for this character so I am defiantly rooting that the Occ elementalists are something in that vein. and why i may have not noticed the info about scop. I think Scop is an awesome concept and i don't want them to change.
Re: Kiara on alignment balance
Caster Guilds, I promise, I'll be on topic,
Currently we have 3 Occupation guilds that focus entirely on spells. Morgul Mages, Spirit Circle and Priests of Takhsis.
Two of those are evil, one is good. For all intensive purposes. RP and other such things aside.
If the recode goes ahead and creates an entirely neutral guild (allows for everything to function no matter your alignment like DO) then there will still be goodie casters, neutral casters, and evil casters. It is not really eliminating anything but allowing people the choice of alignment. This will really not impact anything at all.
I think we get caught up on Good/Evil a bit much here. With the Cult of Chemosh I honestly think that it being "evil" is not really necessary. As I explained many necromancers do not consider themselves evil. They are learning how to control death so that they can overcome it. Often they do so because they have lost someone they love, they are scholars who are aging and wish to continue their research, etc..etc..etc..
Chemosh prays on these souls who are unsuccessful. He offers them the opportunity to continue "living". He is considered "evil" because he messes with the Balance of life and death. Hence why Spirit Circle would hate him and why they hate Necromancy. This does not make him Evil in the sense that he kills kittens and will betray you at any moment and cannot be trusted.
I can see those playing the Cult of Chemosh to have a plethora of RP options that will allow them to act independently of one another to some extent. Worshippers of Chemosh are not like PoT they would see themselves as researchers, scholars, and practicers of Necromancy. Chemosh simply gives them the ability and the guidance to do so.
What makes someone good/evil? Really? Are Calians good? What about a Calian who leads an enemy into a trap and betrays them? Are Neidar good? What about a Neidar who slays a Knight because he feels slighted by something he did in the past? What about a Dragonarmy soldier who fights because he believes in the unification of Krynn under the banner of Takhisis. He believes it will ultimately bring peace?
Just cause your alignment is below neutral doesn't mean you are evil. Does it?
Windemere
Currently we have 3 Occupation guilds that focus entirely on spells. Morgul Mages, Spirit Circle and Priests of Takhsis.
Two of those are evil, one is good. For all intensive purposes. RP and other such things aside.
If the recode goes ahead and creates an entirely neutral guild (allows for everything to function no matter your alignment like DO) then there will still be goodie casters, neutral casters, and evil casters. It is not really eliminating anything but allowing people the choice of alignment. This will really not impact anything at all.
I think we get caught up on Good/Evil a bit much here. With the Cult of Chemosh I honestly think that it being "evil" is not really necessary. As I explained many necromancers do not consider themselves evil. They are learning how to control death so that they can overcome it. Often they do so because they have lost someone they love, they are scholars who are aging and wish to continue their research, etc..etc..etc..
Chemosh prays on these souls who are unsuccessful. He offers them the opportunity to continue "living". He is considered "evil" because he messes with the Balance of life and death. Hence why Spirit Circle would hate him and why they hate Necromancy. This does not make him Evil in the sense that he kills kittens and will betray you at any moment and cannot be trusted.
I can see those playing the Cult of Chemosh to have a plethora of RP options that will allow them to act independently of one another to some extent. Worshippers of Chemosh are not like PoT they would see themselves as researchers, scholars, and practicers of Necromancy. Chemosh simply gives them the ability and the guidance to do so.
What makes someone good/evil? Really? Are Calians good? What about a Calian who leads an enemy into a trap and betrays them? Are Neidar good? What about a Neidar who slays a Knight because he feels slighted by something he did in the past? What about a Dragonarmy soldier who fights because he believes in the unification of Krynn under the banner of Takhisis. He believes it will ultimately bring peace?
Just cause your alignment is below neutral doesn't mean you are evil. Does it?
Windemere
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