Bring the stat cap
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Re: Bring the stat cap
Has anyone ever played another mud without a cap that was successful? I am assuming no, because in the past 10 years every time this debate has come up I have never heard anyone give an example of a game with (essentially) unregulated PvP and a significant death penalty that didn't have a cap and everything was fine. So what we have, and correct me if I am wrong, is the rest of the world (mud and otherwise) doing something one way and Genesis doing it another. In other words it isn't Genesis that's fundamentally flawed...its the rest of world. Give me a break....
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Re: Bring the stat cap
Perhaps just do the softcap somewhat harder
Personally I got a stupid brute level and I do xp really really slow. One full spawn of Centaurs
and add a full lap at the knights in Flotsam usually give me one progress. That takes quite
a while so it is really not an effective way to get xp. I've noticed it got a whole lot slower
to get xp recently, might be because my stats are to high compared to the centaurs/knights
and thus the xp penalty for killing smallfry kick in or maybe I got over a bump in the brute-o-meter.
To have a true cap in stats would not do it for me, what else is there to do ? We have no chat
system, no I don't have everyone on MSN. I as ogre could collect gear for my forgepoints
but why should I go out if I can't grow anymore, why even log on. I've played a lot of
muds in the past and once you reached the top levels you ended up doing two things.
You sat in the chat or helped 'new' players get good gear.

Personally I got a stupid brute level and I do xp really really slow. One full spawn of Centaurs
and add a full lap at the knights in Flotsam usually give me one progress. That takes quite
a while so it is really not an effective way to get xp. I've noticed it got a whole lot slower
to get xp recently, might be because my stats are to high compared to the centaurs/knights
and thus the xp penalty for killing smallfry kick in or maybe I got over a bump in the brute-o-meter.
To have a true cap in stats would not do it for me, what else is there to do ? We have no chat
system, no I don't have everyone on MSN. I as ogre could collect gear for my forgepoints
but why should I go out if I can't grow anymore, why even log on. I've played a lot of
muds in the past and once you reached the top levels you ended up doing two things.
You sat in the chat or helped 'new' players get good gear.
Re: Bring the stat cap
Good note Booger: My own suggestion on this is like Ogre just suggested. That our soft cap is a little harder and perhaps starts a little earlier. Growth should always be possible, but even today for the big myths it is not that hard to make a few levels of progress every day, so even they can grow pretty quick still.
That is because we have added bigger and bigger foes for them to get a challenge of course, but if the soft cap was harder, we could still give them challenges that are rewarding, but it would slow down growth a little more and keep players within a more reasonable size.
A game where size differences are too huge isnt gonna be good either, just as a stat cap may have people who reach it lose interest, people will also lose interest if they feel some characters are insanely big and it feels impossible to ever reach a size even close to them. Sure people who play a lot and grind alot should have an edge, but perhaps the edge could be smaller, without removing the possibility for them to keep grinding.
That is because we have added bigger and bigger foes for them to get a challenge of course, but if the soft cap was harder, we could still give them challenges that are rewarding, but it would slow down growth a little more and keep players within a more reasonable size.
A game where size differences are too huge isnt gonna be good either, just as a stat cap may have people who reach it lose interest, people will also lose interest if they feel some characters are insanely big and it feels impossible to ever reach a size even close to them. Sure people who play a lot and grind alot should have an edge, but perhaps the edge could be smaller, without removing the possibility for them to keep grinding.
Re: Bring the stat cap
The dilemma Genesis is facing now is similar to most modern societies.
What needs to be done: Promote inequality (in size for example) but _enforce_ equal chances.
How to do it? The dilemma is a bit different for real-world societies, as it mostly boils down to wealth and class a person comes from, which creates unequal chances. What does that for Gen? Knowledge of the inner workings, items, mechanic? To some extent, but to a larger one, I believe it would be time investment.
Now, how can a gap be reduced (not sealed entirely) between people who have 12+ hours/day and people who have 3+ hours/week available to them?
What needs to be done: Promote inequality (in size for example) but _enforce_ equal chances.
How to do it? The dilemma is a bit different for real-world societies, as it mostly boils down to wealth and class a person comes from, which creates unequal chances. What does that for Gen? Knowledge of the inner workings, items, mechanic? To some extent, but to a larger one, I believe it would be time investment.
Now, how can a gap be reduced (not sealed entirely) between people who have 12+ hours/day and people who have 3+ hours/week available to them?
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Re: Bring the stat cap
why should that gap be removed between those players? there are still areas to find and fight in for both sizes.. whats needed here is that when your a myth, you simply cant get attacked or attack people. then your free to grow as insainly big as you want, and those who would want to keep fighting would have to remain at legend size.. wich is, if i may remind you all, Insainly huge.. remember champions of old are at expert level now, so even when titan/champion, your A giant.. but thats the seloution here as i see it. would give all that wants to fight a chance to fight, and those who feels like going in retirement and be a myth of the lands would be able to do so.. But then what if im a myth and want to go fighting.. Well... die die die = legend, able to fight, able to see whan your about to reach myth... and that will keep you in the fights.. Ohh so what if im a legend then kills someone, and then just race to myth to get avoided getting attacked.. so.? will make you unable to fight and attack anyone as long as your a myth, and the one you killed, can recover back, grow to legend and await your coward soul to dare going back in the fights..
You cant please everyone here.. thats the point.. But Frankly i dont care about those who feel they cant compeate, i dont attack or kill them anyway, i usually fight players bigger and better than me and get my ass wooped. surely we killed some people, but most killing are done in teams..
the solo fight between the myth and hero rarely happen.. and if it happens to often, how about getting the AOP in on it..? but for those who only have 3 hrs pr day, the game is stil fine suitet to you., for us that spend 12 hrs here daily. there are still a game for us.. I dont know what will be the seloution here, but punishing big guys because you small fryes dont have the time to play and feel you need to whine.. i dont care.. get more time.. or play your game.. maximize your 3-4 hrs here.. tag along with Irk and co.. or some other uber goodie, there are alot of them, perhaps if you encurraged team play your selves insted of whining, you would grow.. i can make a fanta in 5 hrs if i go nuts.. really nuts in team. im very violent, legend... so stop this cap whine, its getting borring, and go team, and get some damned xp.. think of all the time spend whining here, all the xp you could have made.... Gees. And btw, most myths are more than willing to help the smaller ones grow.. so are legends.. if you made a bad call being a solo fighting ranger, and want to hide yourself and dont intro.. well bad call for you, clearly its harder.. but if your a glad, merc, bda, aa, morgul, scop, calian, monk, there are plenty to team with.. soo... go now, get some xp... and stop this cap whine.. Yeah your smaller so what.. ? getting bored..
You cant please everyone here.. thats the point.. But Frankly i dont care about those who feel they cant compeate, i dont attack or kill them anyway, i usually fight players bigger and better than me and get my ass wooped. surely we killed some people, but most killing are done in teams..
the solo fight between the myth and hero rarely happen.. and if it happens to often, how about getting the AOP in on it..? but for those who only have 3 hrs pr day, the game is stil fine suitet to you., for us that spend 12 hrs here daily. there are still a game for us.. I dont know what will be the seloution here, but punishing big guys because you small fryes dont have the time to play and feel you need to whine.. i dont care.. get more time.. or play your game.. maximize your 3-4 hrs here.. tag along with Irk and co.. or some other uber goodie, there are alot of them, perhaps if you encurraged team play your selves insted of whining, you would grow.. i can make a fanta in 5 hrs if i go nuts.. really nuts in team. im very violent, legend... so stop this cap whine, its getting borring, and go team, and get some damned xp.. think of all the time spend whining here, all the xp you could have made.... Gees. And btw, most myths are more than willing to help the smaller ones grow.. so are legends.. if you made a bad call being a solo fighting ranger, and want to hide yourself and dont intro.. well bad call for you, clearly its harder.. but if your a glad, merc, bda, aa, morgul, scop, calian, monk, there are plenty to team with.. soo... go now, get some xp... and stop this cap whine.. Yeah your smaller so what.. ? getting bored..
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- OgreToyBoy
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Re: Bring the stat cap
What the hell.. fantastic in 5 hours?
Let's team, I want such experience as well.
Let's team, I want such experience as well.
Re: Bring the stat cap
well, mabye not, but point is, i can make a hell of a lot of xp if go the right places with the right folks. 

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