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Think it this way, Alorrana: if you five attacked him with superior layman smash skill, do you think you would manage to kill him fast enough?

Or in terms of D&D, having a saving throw of 7 in a D10 isn't that bad. When the skill is so low, luck plays a pretty important part.

Rhynox.

Shut the F... Up. Tired of your ever whining about how underpowered Neidars are. they are the Most insaine unbalanced players there are. These days its sure good to have wizard friends...

Balance that!

Alorrana wrote:Rhynox.

Shut the F... Up. Tired of your ever whining about how underpowered Neidars are. they are the Most insaine unbalanced players there are. These days its sure good to have wizard friends...

Balance that!

Woah! Hold on a second...didn't that reply seem a little bit unnecessary? I don't think Rhynox ever whines about how underpowered Neidar are. He usually just states his analysis of the situation. Attacking others on the forum simply just weakens your own position more.

Neidars are pretty rocking tanks, and one with sup con is going to be really difficult to kill simply because they can eventually break your block and run away before you can slay them. They are disadvantaged by the fact that their damage special really sucks, so usually they have to take a really long time to kill something or bring along someone else who does the damage while they tank.

Different guilds are given different strengths in the realms, it's up to you to find the best way to utilize the ability you have access to.

Ilrahil is a good example of someone who knows how to do this very well. In the different guilds I have seen him be a part of, he's always found a way to maximize effectiveness and rock people's behinds in battle. That doesn't mean that he'll win every fight or that he isn't killed from time to time, but if he is prepared he can really hold his own...

Just something to think about.

Besides.. Those dwarves have more con than anyone else out there.
They are probably considered supermyths by many, and with those con bonuses, and guild tanking abilities, they should be able to take a serious punishment.

AA is a bit like neidar.. Its also a primarily defensive guild, relying a lot on their shield abilities. Which means you have given up power, to stand longer.
And as such, you should not expect to be able to put people down fast, before they can run away.

show me any.. ANY AA myth that can take on 3 mithas trolls and 5 players and not even care about it.. Right.. Super tanks.. Uhh huh... *thumbs up* what ever.. whoot.. hoot.. dont give a shit no more.. No one should have survived that.. No one.. but Ohh Neidars.. the sacred guild of genesis.. Im throwing water on a goose here.. What ever I can say, do yell shout, throw rocks, piss in other peoples yard.. what ever.. they just remain Uber troopers.. And with in Our own fucking ranks people seconds get inlisted cause we recruit Everything...and suddenly Neidars, rangers, calians know every little secret on AA cause Woopti. make a second and go studie the board.. Its pisses me off. There is one in there. All he dos is log on read out board and log out.. we get turned in to the wizards caus we had a slight ability. We are called abusers and cheaters, Seriously.. Let me have my anger time.. when I return to the game again, Heads are going to come off. Inside AA and out. I know who the little shit that ratted on us... so.. let me have my fucking anger time..

Any yes block is still rubbish, made to be rubbish.. if your huge enough.. you just walk out.. Fuck block. !

Alorrana wrote:show me any.. ANY AA myth that can take on 3 mithas trolls and 5 players and not even care about it.. Right.. Super tanks.. Uhh huh... *thumbs up* what ever.. whoot.. hoot.. dont give a shit no more.. No one should have survived that.. No one.. but Ohh Neidars.. the sacred guild of genesis.. Im throwing water on a goose here.. What ever I can say, do yell shout, throw rocks, piss in other peoples yard.. what ever.. they just remain Uber troopers.. And with in Our own fucking ranks people seconds get inlisted cause we recruit Everything...and suddenly Neidars, rangers, calians know every little secret on AA cause Woopti. make a second and go studie the board.. Its pisses me off. There is one in there. All he dos is log on read out board and log out.. we get turned in to the wizards caus we had a slight ability. We are called abusers and cheaters, Seriously.. Let me have my anger time.. when I return to the game again, Heads are going to come off. Inside AA and out. I know who the little shit that ratted on us... so.. let me have my fucking anger time..

Any yes block is still rubbish, made to be rubbish.. if your huge enough.. you just walk out.. Fuck block. !

Venting is fine, because it makes you feel lighter and come back later with more will. The neidars don't suck, I think Navarre, Louie, Gorboth, Petros and all of them who worked on it did a great job and gave the guild an identity. On the contrary, I think they did a pretty lazy job with the Knights, but since I am not a member it is just what I see from outside.

When they were updating the neidars they told us that we will lose damage while gaining resistance. That is what dwarves (and the guild) are about. I told Gorboth I wished that whenever someone wanted to attack a neidar, they must wonder whether they are enough to kill one, and he did a pretty good job. Just like when you want to kill something big we call calians, or when we want to fight something tricky we call rangers, when someone wants a wall in front of them they should call a neidar.

The mistake you are making is that you are judging the whole guild based on the biggest character in there (I am sure Irk already passed Rhynox' size) with the highest constitution in Genesis. Had the team attacked Rhynox, it could have been pretty different (for starters, Irk has like 10% more constitution points than me, so I would have gone down faster). From what I read, your point is that nobody in Genesis should survive a team of 5 angmarims. Then what happens when five mages team? The game explodes?

Neidars are full tankers. Our plain damage and hit rate is between the lowest in Genesis, but we make up with our defense and the extra damage we get via strength bonuses. Calians are full damage dealers. No pure fighting occupational guild matches them (vampires were able to do more damage, but they were 3 guilds in one and their output surely matched the one from a militia calian or blademaster calian). Both guilds are specialists, that is, we give up a lot of something to get something else. The angmarims aren't specialists, so they get a higher defense than a calian but lower than a neidar, and higher damage output than a neidar but lower than a calian. It is like complaining that a team of five calians were able to kill the biggest angmarim in Genesis.

The neidars have killed very few people in the last five years, because we just cannot deal enough damage. In consequence, one would expect that very few neidars would be killed because their damage resistance is higher.

About the seconds, every guild has them. The Clan has accepted probably 10 members in the last couple of years (consider that very few like to use the dwarven race) and none of them is active. They log, check messages, and quit. We have a list of seconds, and we could have banished them a long time ago, but from a roleplaying point of view, how can you justify a purge in a family? It is different in the Angmar, though, since it is an army. However, if you are going to ask for people to do a minimum amount of hours per week or be expelled, start looking for a new guild because you will empty it.

Alorrana wrote:Any yes block is still rubbish, made to be rubbish.. if your huge enough.. you just walk out.. Fuck block. !

If you base your hopes in the effectiveness of a layman block, then something is wrong.

Ilrahil is a good example of someone who knows how to do this very well. In the different guilds I have seen him be a part of, he's always found a way to maximize effectiveness and rock people's behinds in battle. That doesn't mean that he'll win every fight or that he isn't killed from time to time, but if he is prepared he can really hold his own...

Just something to think about.

Why thank you Earth. I'm also glad you agree with that... as I've told wizards multiple times in regards to some things being "overpowered." In my experience knowledge of the game and best combination's of things will work wonders. Sure I've been a member of overpowered guilds but Ilrahil has spent a vast amount of time as a mercenary as well as a member of the Blue Dragonarmy many years ago. I guess its a topic for another discussion but Irk can die... he could be killed by 3-4 people of the size that attacked him. Sometimes people get lucky and sometimes people come ill prepared. I'm not saying the team that attacked him went ill prepared as I do not know how it went down but perhaps more time preparing and getting a few more things and the fight could have gone the other way entirely.

Irk can die.. Didn't someone pkill him not that long ago, Vamps maybe?
His size does not intimidate me in the slightest.

There is some whining going on now which makes us "bad ass AA's" look weak. Alorrana my friend you need to take a chill pill.
I get the impression sometimes that because you are a legend you feel certain things are yours by right.
Like this kill should have been a foregone conclusion.
It doesn't work like that, pure size doesn't mean much and certainly does not give anyone a right to results.

Truth be told we threw some brute force at the situation expecting it to be finished easily enough.
If we had been a little less confident, taken more time to prepare/buff, changed some equipment choices and tactics we could have killed all three of them. Shoulda, coulda, woulda. Easy with hindsight enh?

What Irk did tank wise was still _amazing_ because there was other factors like the added trolls and stuff I will not go into.
But we did not catch up with him after he left the first room, so basically he escaped because we screwed it up.

On Topic crowd control helped keep him there a while so that is cool.
It was not an I-win button and that is also fair.
This is a touch of crowd control for the masses, it gets most peoples heart racing a bit being blocked, or even the threat of it..
Sure there is room for more crowd control choices, I am sure they will come in time.

yeah I need to take a lot of pills.. to rid me of this.

And Mers.. Your oppinions are ever so usefull. Stupid fat frenchie.. dont post if you have nothing to say, Im tired of your retarded Pictures. You Never have something usefull to say.. Boooo hooo Calians wronged me.. Now im gonna be a baby and hate genesis all of my french frogeating life.. Fuck you. Your a dick on the sideline no one cares about.

On block. Its was made for smaller guys to gang up on biggies.. But what good is it when the big guy just leaves when he wants to.. Block is NOT working.. It have never worked in those fights ive been in.. I block.. and they just leave.. Thats what this fuzz is about. and your explanations is that the huger they are the harder they are to block.. aha.. The what the hell good is block..? I will never be as huge as Irk cause I have a life outside genesis.. And Im sure im nort allowed to script.

Tarax, you said.
here is some whining going on now which makes us "bad ass AA's" look weak. Alorrana my friend you need to take a chill pill.I get the impression sometimes that because you are a legend you feel certain things are yours by right.Like this kill should have been a foregone conclusion.It doesn't work like that, pure size doesn't mean much and certainly does not give anyone a right to results..

Thanks for that one.. First of All Yes Im a legend..took me 12 years to get there. And nothing in game Do i consider mine by advantage by size.. This kill should have killed anyone.. anyone.
but fact is it didnt.. So take your chill pill and shove it up-- Let me whine if i think something is redicioules.. and Neidar ability to endure Dam seems somewhat unbalanced..In fact im the worst P-fighter ever but i can Indeed tell when somethings arent right..whatever you think or not.. I can.

And if 5 to 1 isnt enough to kill off anyone.. Then fuck this game seriously.

Earth.,. Yeah im sure i will come up with it. And i never complained about knight block.. I think knight block ruled.. and a shame it was changed.. But this block today.. its simply a facade from the wizards to make evils happy clapping merses fat ass and beaming joyfully shouting we can block we can block we can block.. but we cant.

Im basicly done with the game, been looking for a good excuse to leave in anger.. This is it.. Problem with me.. when I feel something is quite off the scales I do whine, I do shout and I do Yell.. But your proberly right.. I will leave the game, its for the best of all. I made Angmar a name again. so i guess my job is done.

problem is I cant fight this on a high teck speak level. Im not good enough to do so. And Ill stop my complaints now. and leave it behind, game forum and what not.. its of no use.. Goo ahead laugh and what not.. i actually dont give a flying fuck..