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Hi everyone,

I have recently conducted a review of every layman guild. Some balance concepts - while logical - haven't been applied sensibly. I plan on refining some of these balance concepts that will impact how some guilds operate, but before I do I thought I'd get a general feel from the player base on their perceptions of the layman guild state of affairs (i.e. lay of the land ).

I don't plan on giving any more details than that, however will note any feedback provided here as part of my considerations.

Thanks!
A.K

- Nerf Warlocks and EW (align restrictions should be added to Warlocks as well)
- Boost Templars and Minstrels
- Change Tricksters into craft guild
- Archers are unplayable in both OCC and layman versions
- Monks lay is prolly crap as well (not aware if there were any changes to it recently)

Thank you

Also listening to Kvator is inherently a bad idea.
Templars are fine as they are.
Quite powerful actually.
Minstrels definitely need a recode.
Tricksters.. Either close, recode or make them into a club.
Perhaps make Blademasters into Weapon masters and allow all weapons?
Fix the rank progression on OotS.. Seriously..
Make beastmasters finally happen...

As for EW and Warlocks.
That's a global issue for you to solve really.
But don't mess with how the guilds work, power adjustment.. OK.. Probably won't be popular but people will live through it.
Messing with the structure of the individual guilds is a bad idea though.

Amberlee wrote: Minstrels definitely need a recode.
Tricksters.. Either close, recode or make them into a club.
Perhaps make Blademasters into Weapon masters and allow all weapons?
Fix the rank progression on OotS.. Seriously..
Make beastmasters finally happen...

As for EW and Warlocks.
That's a global issue for you to solve really.
But don't mess with how the guilds work, power adjustment.. OK.. Probably won't be popular but people will live through it.
Messing with the structure of the individual guilds is a bad idea though.

1. Yepp deffo
2. Club imo they are nothing else but a bunch of emotes and annoying commands atm
3. Yes and make the progression not so insane, I mean what the hell with the current gexp system?
4. yes yes yes yes yes gief.

Yea power is something you could do something with but concept etc? Why? Cause some kender is salty he cant do anything?

Fix AA first.

I would very much like to see Beastmasters open. From what I understand it is basically finished already? The minstrels would be a lot more popular if they weren't so under-powered, and that would be great for the game, I think.

I certainly hope (but don't actually think it will be done) is that when layman guilds are taken into balance considerations then a global review - and by that I mean really going under the hood and analyzing at the same time the layman component of occ+layman guilds is done at the same time and compared to standalone laymans.

It may or may not be (I really don't know) how balance is done in genesis from the point of view of such guilds, but really an occupational AND layman guild should not be inherently more powerful than a good/solid combination of occupational guild + layman guild. But then again, some wizards really like to min-max their creations, while others (like you, Arman) prefer a balanced approach. The lack of uniform rules and guild design mentalities is why genesis balance is such an issue.

sylphan wrote:I would very much like to see Beastmasters open. From what I understand it is basically finished already? The minstrels would be a lot more popular if they weren't so under-powered, and that would be great for the game, I think.

Beastmasters I'd love to see open, but still need a lot of work... and Carnak hasn't worked on them for a while. Treat it like one of Gorboth's guilds with your expectations!

Minstrels need to be transitioned over to the standardised magic system. It's on a long to-do list... but its up there.

nils wrote:Fix AA first.

Layman AA i pretty decent.

Kvator wrote:

nils wrote:Fix AA first.

Layman AA i pretty decent.

Not what he's asking to get fixed