Thank you for the heads up. I've added the EC to the list.
- Finwe
This.Tarlok wrote: ↑18 May 2020 19:15What has happened in Middle Earth? Yet again things have shifted. Prior to this Renewal I often took a brief rest in the Rangers welcoming guild hall, or I would stop by Minas Tirith for supplies yet that is no longer possible - even at holy alignment.
I recommend once again removing Warlocks from the list of evil guilds, just as Gorboth did last year. Warlocks are not required to be evil. Certaintly many warlocks are evil, but those who follow Hastur may never have done an 'evil' deed in their lives.
An even better fix would be to change the way admittance works for RoG and MT. I would recommend the guards merely assess admittance based on alignment, no guild check should be performed. Evil guilds require their members to be evil in alignment and this would almost completely keep them out. If an evil soldier has done so many 'good' deeds, likely by slaughtering hundreds of his peers, the good peoples of Middle Earth would be wise to accept him among themselves as he is a valuable ally to their desperate cause. As has been pointed out, becoming a good aligned player in an evil guild is burdensome but it is also risky, an unexpected link issue or logout results in a guild banishment and death for most guilds so its not a walk in the park.
Might as well throw in the Thanar, Hiddukel Cabal, Pirates, and the Minotaurs to that evil list and keep this entire city full of quests restricted to only a selected handful of Mary Poppins' singing merry elves and hobbits.finwe wrote: ↑18 May 2020 03:21I checked the gates, and this is what I found. These guilds are allowed in since they are good aligned:
* Calian warrior's guild
* Heralds of the Valar
* Holy Order of the Stars
* Noldor of Imladris
* Rangers of the Westlands
* Solamnian Knights
These evil guilds aren't allowed:
* Angmar Army
* Dragonarmy
* Drow of Underdark
* Fire Knives
* Morgul Mages
* Necromancers Of Vile Darkness
* Orcs of Middle Earth
* Priests of Takhisis
* Red Fang Guild
* Templars of Takhisis
* Warlocks of Faerun
Even though there are good aligned drow in the game, they are still blocked because of their heritage.
Are we going to call any arguments from the evil end of the moral spectrum a tantrum, but any from the goodie one a reasonable discussion? If we're going to have a chat about any topic then I'd at least expect some sort of logic rather than just random comments based on grudges.
Until another system is in place I would +1 this. More people use it as an excuse to get around whatever obstacle they want in-game rather than using it as a RP tool to define their character. They do evil things and then when it is time for a quest its time to toss out the "But I'm Neutral Card".
What about the Cabal of Hiddukel and Thanar then? They're evil yet not listed. Should we add them? What's the stance on minotaurs? In krynn, at least to the knights, they're not exactly welcome in places like Kalaman or Vingaard. What's the stance of Minas Tirith?Greneth wrote: ↑19 May 2020 06:58Until another system is in place I would +1 this. More people use it as an excuse to get around whatever obstacle they want in-game rather than using it as a RP tool to define their character. They do evil things and then when it is time for a quest its time to toss out the "But I'm Neutral Card".
Speaking from a thematic point as well, it doesnt matter what YOUR guild says you are. You can say evil is just a concept and there is no right and wrong. But to the people of Minas Tirith there is a right and wrong. Middle Earth has a very distinct point of view on good and evil. To ignore their lore in favor of a guilds wishes just seems odd to me. If you and the people you associate with kill babies, hold sacrificial rituals and are around/do a number of things that would most definitely make you evil in Middle Earth then I can only roll my eyes because you can't get in to do a quest.
The same applies to the Drow, in this version of Middle Earth they are connected to many other realms. So no they aren't exactly unknowing about what a dark-skinned elf really is. They can listen and gather information just like anyone else. And the majority of the Drow are not good, thematically evil and those that are good are a minority. The majority of the houses that are in major drow cities are all followers of Lolth who is literally the goddess of evil, amongst other titles. In fact in Lolth-worshipping city states like Menzoberranzan the reign of her priesthood was absolute. So you can't hold a title of Mother of whatever name from Menzoberranzan and claim to be the single irregularity with no repercussions from a goddess who is so jealous over worship she would demolish you and everyone whose spoken to you.