Lets go through it - vampires canModerator: This section has been removed for violating our forums rules regarding not revealing sensitive game information. Making a list of a guild's abilities (that aren't openly listed within the game is not okay), regardless if the list is actually correct or not, which I will obviously not comment on. Are there any other guilds that offer this much? In the strictest narrowest sense of balance they may pay what they should. That does not mean that non-vampire players feel that they are balanced. Just like vampires feel that goblins are not balanced, while a lot of us do feel that due to in-game racism. And don't tell me you know the numbers better. You don't know our feelings or experiences better.
A lot of people have seen the lack of being a goblin vampire to being one of the few things that balance them. Since they clearly pay less tax than ogres. Which also confuse a lot of people when looking at the vampires abilities.
Looking at the responses in this thread, roleplayers like the options they get. But they are roleplayers, not grinders, and as such have all the choices in the world. If you're a roleplayer, stats do not matter?
Vampires are super eager to get goblin stats removed to make them more "competitive"? No, if you remove racial stats, vampires will be the strongest race by far. No other race even comes close to them. So obviously vampires want to neuter all other races.
If you are not a melee char, and want to grind with a bonus, go gnome. Gnomes are in fact the strongest grinders of all races. But the roleplayers in caster guilds refuse to play gnomes. I have met many players who say that it is beneath them to play gnomes. That's ok, but then you are not as good at grinding. Which is fair enough if you refuse to choose the grindy race.
Grinders tend to be goblins. Yes. Because it works. I grind because that is what I like. That is why i play the game.
I honestly don't think vampires will let me do that if the stats change. That means more playing field for vampires, none for me. Which is not an enticing future prospect. Yes I hear Cherek and Zizuph and Ckrik already typing that this won't be a problem, but looking at the Genesis discord, Sparkle Board and this forum thread, there are many people who fully expect this to be a problem. It's not just my imaginary friends.
How about leaving goblin stats in the game as they are, but then goblins can't pvp. Goblins can't attack other players and other players can't attack goblins. If you want to grind, go goblin. If you want to pvp, go vampire. And the rest is RP choices?
That gives everyone something to play. And no one have to feel trampled and leave the game
