Forum and Calians

[Rhynox]

Different kind of punishments should be available, so that we can decide whether we want to banish people from the guild or just forbid them from reading the boards, looting our equipment, etc. Could have helped us while in the battle against a now disappeared guild.

[Ilrahil]

Ah so you would like to banish my character in the Neidar is your specific problem. Based on the "now disappeared guild" and as my guild is the only one to vanish recently and I have a character in your guild I assume that is who you speak of. Aside from reading the boards I rarely even look at the racks Rhynox. My login to that character consists of me hitting each board. I could really care less how many of certain items you have as I know what spots Irk actively hunts in and what he's going to obtain to a point. I also have no problems obtaining my own gear on a regular basis so why would I care what goodies you have. The only ones that are important to me are the ones that Irk actively uses and I'm sure he has noticed I occasionally like to sidetrack to Mithas just to check and see what him and Ahith are using

Why do I not play that character? Because of the likes of the other people in the guild whom I have never gotten along with. I've kept him around because I've always thought someday I might play him. It hasn't happened but occasionally I'll get the urge to take him out.

I don't like Tristram's character I never really have, but I think banning players from a guild is extreme and should be used as a last resort and I mean a LAST resort, just as wizards do not use deletion of characters until their is no other option. Tristram has shown he behaves this way and has done so before but booting him out I personally think was overkill. Punish him, if they don't learn, punish again.

And since Exiling people makes them unable to enter past the Shieldbearers rooms you have a rackban and board ban already in place don't you? It would fall under the definition of a dwarf in exile.

[Rhynox]

So, what if you only have one available method of punishment? Then you would only apply it in the most extreme cases. Therefore, if a neidar steals the loot from a soldier because of a trigger on the killing blow would either not be punished or kick it off the guild, while killing a soldier while in peaceful times would either not be punished or kick him. And if someone loots the racks? Either don't punish him or kick him.

Just as the racks should be a template and every guild should have the same racks, the guild punishments should also be common. Rack banning, guild entrance, skill restrictions, etc, should be available for every guild. To put an example, we currently have a rule that no neidar who isn't active should travel with uber equipment. Manglor went out with a bloody steel club and a silvanesti shield, and got killed by baddies, who got those items. So, now Manglor is not only smaller because of the death, but exiled for breaking the law, and will likely not return in a good while. Rack banning him would be much simpler and would allow him to continue playing (requiring another neidar to give him equipment and to check he returns what he picked).

Exiling is not working correctly, an exiled member should not enter our guild, not even if he is a shieldbearer. Plus I have asked for some extra modifications in the past (exiled members banned from using every and all skills, not being able to team at all, getting attacked by area guards automatically, and diminishing his guild experience). Neidars should really suffer while in exile, a punishment even harsher than kicking them out of the guild, so that they learn the importance of living in a family. That is the point of living in a family, that you miss it when you can't be with them.

Rhynox has never had any troubles with your second there, we chat whenever we cross, and I invite you to go out with me when I am around. However, we will never get out of our heads how suddenly Ilrahil threatened Rhynox for what he said in a conversation where only Logg, your second and I were around. Gorboth defended you saying that what each character knows is likely to, eventually, intertwine in the head of the player. It is just that.

[Tarax the Terrible]

So, what if you only have one available method of punishment? Then you would only apply it in the most extreme cases. Therefore, if a neidar steals the loot from a soldier because of a trigger on the killing blow would either not be punished or kick it off the guild, while killing a soldier while in peaceful times would either not be punished or kick him. And if someone loots the racks? Either don't punish him or kick him.

Just as the racks should be a template and every guild should have the same racks, the guild punishments should also be common. Rack banning, guild entrance, skill restrictions, etc, should be available for every guild. To put an example, we currently have a rule that no neidar who isn't active should travel with uber equipment. Manglor went out with a bloody steel club and a silvanesti shield, and got killed by baddies, who got those items. So, now Manglor is not only smaller because of the death, but exiled for breaking the law, and will likely not return in a good while. Rack banning him would be much simpler and would allow him to continue playing (requiring another neidar to give him equipment and to check he returns what he picked).

Exiling is not working correctly, an exiled member should not enter our guild, not even if he is a shieldbearer. Plus I have asked for some extra modifications in the past (exiled members banned from using every and all skills, not being able to team at all, getting attacked by area guards automatically, and diminishing his guild experience). Neidars should really suffer while in exile, a punishment even harsher than kicking them out of the guild, so that they learn the importance of living in a family. That is the point of living in a family, that you miss it when you can't be with them.

Rhynox has never had any troubles with your second there, we chat whenever we cross, and I invite you to go out with me when I am around. However, we will never get out of our heads how suddenly Ilrahil threatened Rhynox for what he said in a conversation where only Logg, your second and I were around. Gorboth defended you saying that what each character knows is likely to, eventually, intertwine in the head of the player. It is just that.

We are off topic but anyway, I agree with the Rhyno here.
All guilds should have similar powers for dealing with the members, and we have brought up the one rack for all idea already here too.
Seconds should be anonymous, if a second is compromised such as the example above, and they have conflicting interests to the main perhaps they should be expelled?

[Draugor]

We are off topic but anyway, I agree with the Rhyno here.
All guilds should have similar powers for dealing with the members, and we have brought up the one rack for all idea already here too.
Seconds should be anonymous, if a second is compromised such as the example above, and they have conflicting interests to the main perhaps they should be expelled?

That would make it impossible to have a second in an opposing guilds since there are plenty of wizzies that know whos second is whos and wizzinfo leaks are plentifull as we all know

[Tarax the Terrible]

Maybe that's not a bad thing?

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Maybe that's not a bad thing?

Amen to that, Tarax.

Having seconds in opposing guilds should not be allowed.

[Alorrana]

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[Rhaegar]

Maybe that's not a bad thing?

Amen to that, Tarax.

Having seconds in opposing guilds should not be allowed.

I have them, but I'm not biased and never do anything to harm the other guild or use info I gained. When I'm logging certain char, he automatically overrides any priorities other chars might have, even to the point of attacking friends of other chars etc.

I use the no-mixing-playing-to-the-fullest policy with my chars.