Crowd control

[Dan]

They work best as they are now, aka disabled. It takes a huge effort to gain xp, its good that it takes a huge effort to kill someone.

[Celemir]

How about looking into hide and sneak mechanics.
It was supposed to be looked at, at the same time as the ranger recode, or just after as I recall it, but I I don't know if this has happened yet.

[TaranGoatWalker]

How do we want to see it work...
I personally, such that with a well prepared trap, one can be killed. Paralyzes are available, but not abundant.

[Archie]

Can it be enabled for NPCs but disabled for players?

That means the thematic of the ability is still there, which can still aid in combat against NPCs but would not impact the player interactions, and therefor cause less grief.

As a non-PVPer generally I also prefer they are disabled.

Archie

[Thalric]

I don't think a reactivation will lead to anything else than annoyance and frustration.

The people who like pvp, don't like to be the prey. They like to be the hunter.
So they will be active and hunt others while they are prepared and have time for it.
If someone else then assembles a team to retaliate, the now prey will then hurry away in safety and wait for the stupid hunters to go away.
It will only ruin people's fun in playing, and it will mean that a bunch of the casual players will either stop playing entirely or shift away from their main characters, since they don't want those killed.
I do believe we see that already, based on how the guild abilities, defensive and offensive powers and so on has shifted in the past few years.

OCC magic sucks, OCC melee is king, layman magic is king, layman melee sucks.
Darkness items are WAY too common and fighting in darkness is so easy it's a joke.
In darkness people take down enemies that are levels higher than themselves.

[Draugor]

They work best as they are now, aka disabled. It takes a huge effort to gain xp, its good that it takes a huge effort to kill someone.

So just disable pvp Carebear mud best mud

[qwertheangmarim]

If guilds who previously had PvP abilities then lose them, will they be CAID compensated?
Looking (too my knowledge) at MM, AoD, Knights, and the DAs

[nils]

Block skill in it’s current (previous?) form isn’t super useful. With its long load time and need to specify the exit that needed blocking makes it incredibly difficult to utilize in the “heat of the moment”. It is also fairly easy to break by simply spamming.

Suggested improvements: Instead of blocking a specific exit, make it targetable and work in a manner that attempts to prevent the target from leaving in any direction. Make spam-breaking extra stamina-costly for both parts (obviously you spend energy both by trying to break the block, but also by preventing – the latter increases risk for the blocker too), but fairly high chance to break per attempt. Make the block as a skill available as an imbuement, seed new items that increase block skill and another with increased block breakage success rate (spiked armours?)

Paralyze/slow/chains are usually based on some element, be it poison or magic, and therefore subject to resistance to the element in question. There is already a system in place here, so no real improvement needed, save making sure that that everything works as intended. Effect duration vs cool down needs adjusting, at least for those 1-2 minute variants that exist (existed?) in certain hands.

Auto follow (only really relevant to one specific guild) should not allow for a scenario with an auto following team leader with a team passively following right behind him/her. If such a scenario is indeed what is intended, I would suggest loosening up on the global rules regarding automation to allow “hunting triggers”.

I don’t see any problems with the tracking function/abilities available in certain guilds, but I think offering up a way (itemization, imbuements) to improve the skill for everyone could be more readily available. Maybe also consider loosening up the rules in regards to automation (“tracking triggers) here as well.

Fatigue draining (usually through poison) in its current form is unproblematic. Urge checking that resistances work as intended. Adding the same mechanic as adrenaline to prevent subject from teleporting, quitting etc would increase utility.

I am too biased to have a public opinion about stealth and alpha strikes, but as mentioned above here – sneak/hide mechanics vs awareness skill inflation globally often renders (specifically) hide more or less worthless. But as already pointed out by TS, it's on someone's desk and hopefully it'll be resolved soon!

Whoever introduced cool down on scries must not have participated in a player hunt. I’d remove the cool down completely and rather look for ways to disable them completely for individual players who use the spell to harass others (AoP’s desk?)

Tank rotator has been an ability reserved for a privileged few and I’m told is not considered when calculating combat aid, which is of course preposterous. I know for a fact it is very much an excellent aid in combat, and utilized properly creates theoretical scenarios of unlimited health if the team is large enough. I’d say this too is a great candidate to become a global skill with imbuement and items to increase it.

Team teleports to player determined locations are game breaking and shouldn’t exist. I say this goes for sailing (or to use a better term: speed boating) between domains as well. Personal teleportation with certain limitation poses no real issue, however.

You did not touch upon mana draining items that ultimately lead to unconsciousness with subsequent inability to escape or fight back. Perhaps those most susceptible to this particular weapon type (ogre) should simply be made immune to it – basically too dumb to notice being hit on the head etc.

I like the concept of counters and the creation of such where none exist. Any crowd control ability/effect should naturally have some way of resisting, avoiding or breaking the effect by means of resisting the element (poison, magic etc), dice rolls (stat vs stat, skill, dodge/evade), items that allow physical avoidance (shoes and gloves vs caltrops) and so on. I see some item enabling levitation or floating (only by a couple cm) is needed to counter ogre stomp (and funnily enough lock the stomper in place). Same item would naturally also prevent tracking and maybe even alleviate stamina expenditure while travelling.

Wishful thinking, maybe, but it’s how I would like pvp and the above mentioned subjects to look like. Which was the request, yes?

As for the rest of the thread, I’m pretty sure TS wasn’t looking for “PVP - Yay or nay?”. Genesis has always been a pvp environment. The fact that your actions or words can have direct and dire consequences, that your guild membership pushes you to the front lines or shields you from danger or that even the smallest players can loot enough coins to place a contract on a larger player who somehow wrongs them is the only way our behavior is truly policed. It’s how we deal with lame thieves’ spam-stealing in sparkle, it’s how we deal with people who harass those weaker than themselves, people who kill steal or just griefing a-holes in general.

From a broader perspective, pvp is a way to curb size inflation, it provides a sort of end game for those that have done it all and probably a bunch of other arguments I’m unable to drum up right now.

Bottom line is, Genesis has always had free pvp and disabling or preventing it may very well lead to a lot of undesirable and yet un-thought of consequences. However, considering the current syrup that passes for combat these days, an adjustment to the recovery mode to lessen the effort needed to get back on the saddle is definitely called for. Particularly for pvp-deaths, if those could be singled out somehow.

Lastly, Thalric..
Using darkness and darkvision in combat has been a viable tactic in Genesis for more than two decades. It is available to everyone. Even you. Your choices in regards to how you wish to play the game (however noble and commendable it may be) does not even begin to justify imposing your self-imposed limitations on others.

[TaranGoatWalker]

If guilds who previously had PvP abilities then lose them, will they be CAID compensated?
Looking (too my knowledge) at MM, AoD, Knights, and the DAs

I have CC?
Kool

[Draugor]

If guilds who previously had PvP abilities then lose them, will they be CAID compensated?
Looking (too my knowledge) at MM, AoD, Knights, and the DAs

I have CC?
Kool

You a monk? Plexus is a CC, it's not an amazing one and it's only combat and not movement CC, but still a CC