Interesting with Brawl

[Ilrahil]

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Breaking through the medium-sized cloaked figure's guard, you bash it with the hilt of your basket-hilt falchion.
The darkness of the runes surrounding you seems to intensify as it absorbs the force of the medium-sized cloaked figure's blow.
The medium-sized cloaked figure swings at your body with its slender mithril-tipped pike, but you dodge its attack.
You graze your basket-hilt falchion along the chest of the medium-sized cloaked figure.
The medium-sized cloaked figure delivers a painful blow to your hand!
You say to a medium-sized cloaked figure: Last I knew outlaws weren't attacked on sight.  Only notorious.
> You break rapport with the basket-hilt falchion.
For a moment, the ever-present hum reverberates along your nerve-endings like a hammer striking a bell, and then it is gone, leaving you with profound and mystifying sense of loss.
You stop wielding the basket-hilt falchion.
The blow to your hand was so hard that you drop your weapon!
You drop a basket-hilt falchion.
A medium-sized cloaked figure gets a basket-hilt falchion.

I'm not going to complain. I have a store of runed falchions so Laurel getting one doesn't really bother me... though she's still going to die multiple times for it However... if things like drop brawl are going to exist. I think that trying to execute brawl needs to force them into combat.... because this is how the fight started.

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You scrape your basket-hilt falchion along the powerful dark-skinned male human's body.
You feel calm again.
You feel ready to go on the offensive again.
Your muscles tense as you prepare to slash.
> [The medium-sized cloaked figure] delivers a painful blow to your hand!
The medium-sized cloaked figure decides to come out of hiding.
You break rapport with the basket-hilt falchion.
For a moment, the ever-present hum reverberates along your nerve-endings like a hammer striking a bell, and then it is gone, leaving you with profound and mystifying sense of loss.
You stop wielding the basket-hilt falchion.
You strike at the powerful dark-skinned male human's head with your left fist, but he easily dodges your attack.
The powerful dark-skinned male human rakes your left arm with his long ornate pulwar.
You are not wielding an appropriate weapon.

Now had that happened on the first one I would have been furious. It is one thing to allow people to disarm others, its another to allow them to steal the weapons of people without them even knowing that someone came in... and the way that sneak works even at superior guru awareness I miss a lot of people sneaking in and out.

Yes foolish of me to rewield though I didn't think she'd have the strength being an elf to brawl drop me but it happened. However for a group of people who complained about exploitations for so long, to me it seems like a major one.

[Ilrahil]

Also I'd like to point out that going to NPC's (especially Barash-gund), have had their weapons drop brawled off of them is just a pain in the ass, and to me a clear abuse of powers similar to when some knights used mercy to kill things like Calof or Jadestone to avoid align drop or poison but still gather their gear.

[Laurel]

Drop brawling an opponent and leaving it alive is an offense towards Ranger code and punished if reported. You can "pen" a message at Bree PO and it will reach all Ranger officers.

Awareness vs. stealth: EVERYBODY and their aunt can see Laurel hide (when without stealth boosts) and even Haradrims can see her at times ... this time she had a pretty good stealth-set on tho

Rangers aren't recoded so the same skill sets exist for recent years. I realize you didn't fight a Ranger for a while, but I had good training when Laurel was in the BDA and Rangers raided Sanction/Neraka with stashes of ebony-bladed daggers, drop-brawling half DA racks from the defenders ...

[Ilrahil]

Punished if reported.... And how is one supposed to know which ranger drop brawled someone? Also know it hadn't been a while, I just figured someone with immortal strength would not get drop brawled by an elf who probably has similar.

Like I said I'm not complainng about the fight Laurel, and I understand rangers have not been recoded, but it seems like a major flaw in guild design open for wide ways of abuse. And if you will read other posts by me on the topic of sneak/hide.... I have stated multiple times. Hide sucks and needs reworked... sneak however does not suck and to begin a fight with a brawl when it does not engage someone in combat when you start is bogus. Very similar to mages poisoning people from invisibility.

[Tarax the Terrible]

Hmmmm.

As far as I was aware, there used to be 2 weapons safe from getting brawled.
Runnie was one of them.

[Laurel]

Runnie was one of them.

it's the s-elves, not the weapon

[Laurel]

Punished if reported.... And how is one supposed to know which ranger drop brawled someone? Also know it hadn't been a while, I just figured someone with immortal strength would not get drop brawled by an elf who probably has similar.

Like I said I'm not complainng about the fight Laurel, and I understand rangers have not been recoded, but it seems like a major flaw in guild design open for wide ways of abuse.

Well - the reporting/knowing is the tricky party in this one for sure. Still - KNOWING it can be abused, rules have been put in place to allow for punishment of abusers. Considering the low numbers of active Ranger who dare (dis) to brawl enemies like the one you mentioned, it shouldn't be that hard to determine even after a while.

On the other hand it's been created to allow for relatively peaceful possibilities to defend the ME - just disarm and blind the opponent till s/he leaves without harming her/him. In case a big bad treehugger finds a wee-smallfry Angmarim killing some hobbits or other citizens, simply engaging and hunting the sucker can lead to a kill - that's not what Rangerhood is about from the RP perspective. Hence ... it was Ilrahil who got autoimpaled angry about being disarmed.

Btw. Laurel is a half-elf ... and brawling is very tricky in terms of entering combat, possible usage, tactics, etc. Mastering it's use does not come with learning the skill in the Ranger training room (I still laugh at Laurel trying to disarm trolls at times ... and minotaurs in Icewall switching from Irk to Laurel after some brawling).

[Tarax the Terrible]

On the other hand it's been created to allow for relatively peaceful possibilities to defend the ME - just disarm and blind the opponent till s/he leaves without harming her/him. In case a big bad treehugger finds a wee-smallfry Angmarim killing some hobbits or other citizens, simply engaging and hunting the sucker can lead to a kill - that's not what Rangerhood is about from the RP perspective. Hence ... it was Ilrahil who got autoimpaled angry about being disarmed.

Of course.. Peaceful.
Not like it is used on repeat to disarm a big npc _before_ fighting it.
Fine as long as you kill it afterwards, right?
Human glads used to regularly pay rangers to disarm one of the guru quest npcs before fighting it.

Not like it works great with militia for nice damage sneak bouncing anything/anyone.
But certain npcs have more recently been balanced to help prevent this.
My pet peeve was more brawl ignores if the ranger is stunned when completing,
annoying since they can then stun you when they are meant to be stunned.

But nothing is breaking news about any of this, or a real travesty of balance, other guilds can do more amazing things.
Lets be honest tho, it was created to make the rangers the dirty fighting mofos they are.
Which is unique and takes them to learn how to do it.
Rangers are not a toe to toe fighting guild.
I have killed and pummelled rangers who did not have the way of it, or time to fight me on their own terms.
Global block is also nice to have to make this more of a challenge for them to hit and run.

They are also I would think a difficult guild to play, requiring more patience and forward planning than
other goodie guilds. They can do nasty tricks but they are also more limited than other guilds.

Rangers and MM are very well balanced to fight each other.
AA is not quite so evenly balanced to them, so have to rely more on brute force to do well, which is what they are about so thats okay.
Most other melee guilds besides monks have a much harder time of it. But they usually have less reason to fight them.
They do not after all seem to be all that aggressive a guild.

So if you want to fight a ranger bring a specialist along, nothing wrong with that.
Dinedae as a glad got drop brawled a crystal axe on holm so started a personal war on the rangers.
He employed me as a club using merc to help.
We killed a ranger who was out herbing then Zingil and co came out to Ithilien for revenge.

We beat up on the rangers individually, seemed like there was 3 of them about.
But once we were nearly all negatively effected they stood and fought forcing us to retreat to MM gates where we regrouped and tried for NPC support..
Was a great battle hard as hell to keep the team together when blinded, was also in the days of unrestricted herbs so no one was going to die easily.

I hope the recoded rangers do not move too far away from this.

[Laurel]

after years of brawling one thing to sum it up: it's FRUSTRATING how unreliable and random it can be ...

[Tarax the Terrible]

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You scrape your basket-hilt falchion along the powerful dark-skinned male human's body.
You feel calm again.
You feel ready to go on the offensive again.
Your muscles tense as you prepare to slash.
> [The medium-sized cloaked figure] delivers a painful blow to your hand!
The medium-sized cloaked figure decides to come out of hiding.
You break rapport with the basket-hilt falchion.
For a moment, the ever-present hum reverberates along your nerve-endings like a hammer striking a bell, and then it is gone, leaving you with profound and mystifying sense of loss.
You stop wielding the basket-hilt falchion.
You strike at the powerful dark-skinned male human's head with your left fist, but he easily dodges your attack.
The powerful dark-skinned male human rakes your left arm with his long ornate pulwar.
You are not wielding an appropriate weapon.

Just noticed this! Thanks Laurel for defending the Haradrims from attackers!!!!!!